People line up to buy pot in Co.

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Number21
Here is the #1 problem with marijuana right now:

It is still federally labeled as a Schedule 1 drug. This is what sets law enforcement, punishment, and prescription policy.

Schedule 1 drug definition states:
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Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:
A. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
B. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
C. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.


A. Not true for marijuana. Argue all you want it cannot be proven.
B. Absolutely, 100% proven false for marijuana by everybody including the federal government. I am currently being treated by a doctor with marijuana. I can give you his phone number.
C. Marijuana can easily and safely be medically administered in pills and intravenously.

I'm not saying they should sell it in vending machines, but it should not be a Schedule 1 controlled substance. That is ridiculous. It should be at least as legal as Vicodin. It's currently as illegal as HEROIN.


B. is definitely out the window as it simply does not apply to marijuana. A. & C. applies to any over-the-counter drug or medicine. That's why I've said that federal law is based on marijuana studies that are 100 years old...it has absolutely nothing to do with what we know about it today...

 

[Trav]

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What happened is I became a very successful adult! I am an employer of other people. I created two jobs last year. How many jobs did you create? I just moved my business into a 15,000 square foot facility. I bet I make more money than you...

Some sort of complex going on there, are we supposed to be impressed? Most successful people keep a very low profile indeed.
I could care less if you created 2 or 200 jobs or how much you make or don't, drugs are a scourge on society and advocating them in any way to kids is just plain wrong.

 

[Garak]

Once again, we're being loose with the facts. I realize the policies are hypocritical with respect to other drugs. And, you're right on point B.

However, point A. is obviously true. To say there's not a high potential for abuse is ludicrous. Sure, that applies to alcohol, too, but that's not the point. Cannabis fits point A. of the schedule's definition.

As for point C., find me an entry in the big pharmacology guide for each type of prescribed marijuana, showing that there's a consensus in the medical field as to dosage, usage, contraindications, and so forth. Saying it can be administered easily and safely isn't enough under point C.

 

[Number21]

Originally Posted By: Garak

As for point C., find me an entry in the big pharmacology guide for each type of prescribed marijuana, showing that there's a consensus in the medical field as to dosage, usage, contraindications, and so forth. Saying it can be administered easily and safely isn't enough under point C.

These things cannot be established until AFTER it is removed from being a controlled substance with "no medical benefit".

You can say marijuana has a potential for abuse. You cannot prove there is a "high" potential. When they say that they are talking about highly addictive substances such as heroin. You can't say marijuana is addictive the same way heroin is.

 

[Number21]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Some sort of complex going on there, are we supposed to be impressed? Most successful people keep a very low profile indeed.
I could care less if you created 2 or 200 jobs or how much you make or don't, drugs are a scourge on society and advocating them in any way to kids is just plain wrong.


So what is the point you are trying to make here? First it's about the children, and then marijuana is filthy...and now you just want to insult me. You're trying to say that I'm somehow a bad person for using marijuana and you are entirely wrong and completely out of line. Let's stick to the facts about marijuana here please...

I don't and never have advocated marijuana for children. Don't put stupid words in my mouth. I don't lie to children and tell them marijuana is the devil, because modern science has proven that it is not.

Originally Posted By: Trav
drugs are a scourge on society and advocating them in any way to kids is just plain wrong.

I hope you aren't on and don't ever need any prescription medication at any time in your life.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Garak
However, point A. is obviously true. To say there's not a high potential for abuse is ludicrous. Sure, that applies to alcohol, too, but that's not the point. Cannabis fits point A. of the schedule's definition.


So does cough syrup, nasal sprays, Nyquil, No Doze...do I need to go on?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Number21
Originally Posted By: Trav
Some sort of complex going on there, are we supposed to be impressed? Most successful people keep a very low profile indeed.
I could care less if you created 2 or 200 jobs or how much you make or don't, drugs are a scourge on society and advocating them in any way to kids is just plain wrong.


So what is the point you are trying to make here? First it's about the children, and then marijuana is filthy...and now you just want to insult me. You're trying to say that I'm somehow a bad person for using marijuana and you are entirely wrong and completely out of line. Let's stick to the facts about marijuana here please...

I don't and never have advocated marijuana for children. Don't put stupid words in my mouth.


Just for my own curiosity, are you going to tell your children that pot smoking is OK?

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Number21
Originally Posted By: Trav
Some sort of complex going on there, are we supposed to be impressed? Most successful people keep a very low profile indeed.
I could care less if you created 2 or 200 jobs or how much you make or don't, drugs are a scourge on society and advocating them in any way to kids is just plain wrong.


So what is the point you are trying to make here? First it's about the children, and then marijuana is filthy...and now you just want to insult me. You're trying to say that I'm somehow a bad person for using marijuana and you are entirely wrong and completely out of line. Let's stick to the facts about marijuana here please...

I don't and never have advocated marijuana for children. Don't put stupid words in my mouth.


I don't recall anyone here "advocating" marijuana for children...telling them the truth about it isn't advocating...

 

[Number21]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Just for my own curiosity, are you going to tell your children that pot smoking is OK?


Under the same circumstances as alcohol, ABSOLUTELY! When you are of age, and done responsibly...

I would hope we can sit down and enjoy a bowl together when they are old enough. And a cold beer too.

I will also teach them right and wrong is not the same as legal and illegal.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Number21
Originally Posted By: Trav
Some sort of complex going on there, are we supposed to be impressed? Most successful people keep a very low profile indeed.
I could care less if you created 2 or 200 jobs or how much you make or don't, drugs are a scourge on society and advocating them in any way to kids is just plain wrong.


So what is the point you are trying to make here? First it's about the children, and then marijuana is filthy...and now you just want to insult me. You're trying to say that I'm somehow a bad person for using marijuana and you are entirely wrong and completely out of line. Let's stick to the facts about marijuana here please...

I don't and never have advocated marijuana for children. Don't put stupid words in my mouth.


Just for my own curiosity, are you going to tell your children that pot smoking is OK?
I had this talk with my kids several years ago and here's what I told them. I know you're probably going to try things like marijuana and alcohol, so I'm not going to tell you not to, but what I will say is this; either one, used responsibly and moderately, and as long as you're not operating a motor vehicle while under the influence are fine, but keep in mind that pot is illegal and if you get caught with it it's your butt in the sling...

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: Number21
Originally Posted By: Trav
Some sort of complex going on there, are we supposed to be impressed? Most successful people keep a very low profile indeed.
I could care less if you created 2 or 200 jobs or how much you make or don't, drugs are a scourge on society and advocating them in any way to kids is just plain wrong.


So what is the point you are trying to make here? First it's about the children, and then marijuana is filthy...and now you just want to insult me. You're trying to say that I'm somehow a bad person for using marijuana and you are entirely wrong and completely out of line. Let's stick to the facts about marijuana here please...

I don't and never have advocated marijuana for children. Don't put stupid words in my mouth. I don't lie to children and tell them marijuana is the devil, because modern science has proven that it is not.


Your words not mine..
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My parents taught me there is nothing wrong with responsible use of marijuana among adults. Just like alcohol. That is exactly what I will teach my kids.


And no I am not out of line, IMO kids should be directed away from drugs at all cost and that includes drugs like THC.
Drugs are filth, they pollute and damage peoples mind.

 

[Number21]

Originally Posted By: Trav

And no I am not out of line, IMO kids should be directed away from drugs at all cost and that includes drugs like THC.

What happens when your kid needs to go to the dentist and have a tooth pulled? I bet you have a different attitude about narcotics then. Or tell your kid to tough it out painkillers are filthy?

Again, teaching children the truth about marijuana and advocating drug use are two entirely different things. You need to get a dictionary and look up the word advocate.

Originally Posted By: Trav

Drugs are filth, they pollute and damage peoples mind.

I hope you don't like any music by a person that ever tried some weed. That means almost everything.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Trav
And no I am not out of line, IMO kids should be directed away from drugs at all cost and that includes drugs like THC.
Drugs are filth, they pollute and damage peoples mind.


Then you're going about it the wrong way...nothing makes a kid want to do something more than their parents telling them not to do it...

 

[demarpaint]

It's easy enough to see who smokes pot and who doesn't.

As far as kids go, IMO they should be steered away from it. When they become adults they'll be able to decide for themselves, the same way most of us did.

 

[Number21]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Then you're going about it the wrong way...nothing makes a kid want to do something more than their parents telling them not to do it...

It's weird that we still have to tell people this.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Trav
And no I am not out of line, IMO kids should be directed away from drugs at all cost and that includes drugs like THC.
Drugs are filth, they pollute and damage peoples mind.


Then you're going about it the wrong way...nothing makes a kid want to do something more than their parents telling them not to do it...


Not if you do it right. My parents steered us away from it, it worked out just fine. I did the same thing, it worked fine.

 

[Number21]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It's easy enough to see who smokes pot and who doesn't.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the facts? I freely admit that I smoke pot, it is a commonly accepted, perfectly legal modern medicine I use under a doctor's supervision.

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
As far as kids go, IMO they should be steered away from it. When they become adults they'll be able to decide for themselves, the same way most of us did.

Great. What does that have to do with this discussion about legalization?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Number21
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It's easy enough to see who smokes pot and who doesn't.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the facts?

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
As far as kids go, IMO they should be steered away from it. When they become adults they'll be able to decide for themselves, the same way most of us did.

Great. What does that have to do with this discussion about legalization?


Facts, where? I see lots of opinions. Read the thread I discussed my POV about legalization. The topic drifted, weren't you and Grampi just talking about kids?

 

[Number21]

My point is steer your kids whichever way you want, it should have no effect on what the law says.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Number21
My point is steer your kids whichever way you want, it should have no effect on what the law says.


I did, he's grown up and married now, he turned out good too.