Pennzoil Ultra Has Changed Claims

[Techniker]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
To the OP:

Marketing.

...and if you are buying a full synthetic whats up with being a tight wad?

Spend the $2-$3 and then go celebrate with your favorite beverage of choice on top of that!

Haha, it's not being a "tight wad". For the price, I could have gone with my usual Mobil 1 EP and actually been able to trust it for a year/15,000 miles!

 

[buster]

What is odd is the fact they have yet to update their PDS's. That is very odd and makes me wonder. I don't believe those NOACK figures.

 

[crazyoildude]

Honestly i have seen ultra work well cleaning a dirty engine but its still not worth the money when other cheaper oils do the same thing

 

[crazyoildude]

actually people buy whats cheaper and in reality its all the pretty much the same

 

[antiqueshell]

Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
actually people buy whats cheaper and in reality its all the pretty much the same


@crazyoildude:

Where have you been lately?

LOL

 

[ltslimjim]

Originally Posted By: buster
What is odd is the fact they have yet to update their PDS's. That is very odd and makes me wonder. I don't believe those NOACK figures.


I don't necessarily believe it either as it is on internet database, especially of all things as we know oils are subject to reformulation.

 

[ltslimjim]

Originally Posted By: Techniker
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
To the OP:

Marketing.

...and if you are buying a full synthetic whats up with being a tight wad?

Spend the $2-$3 and then go celebrate with your favorite beverage of choice on top of that!

Haha, it's not being a "tight wad". For the price, I could have gone with my usual Mobil 1 EP and actually been able to trust it for a year/15,000 miles!


I think it's possible for Ultra to go 1 year, or 15,000 miles depending obviously.

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Originally Posted By: jorton
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Or maybe people outside of BITOG didn't fall for marketing hype and just bought what's cheaper, which most likely was PP or other synthetic oils. And if they wanted to spring premium, they got M1 EP or Edge with actual benefits of extended OCIs.




Yup, I see this all the time. People (at my Wal-Mart) anyway, always seem to buy the cheapest oil on the shelf. I have noticed however that the VWB shelf is empty or very close to it at all times. So it would appear that people in my area (if one can make a judgement call this way) like VWB.


They are frugal. Valvoline's best oil is Maxlife but WB is cheaper.
Doesn't have anything to do with frugal, it's all about common sense and being penny wise. PU vs PP will do the EXACT SAME thing in a engine, clean and protect, so why should anyone spend the extra bucks for basically the same thing. So will Val ML vs WB, so thats why it doesn't make sense to purchase the higher item, especially given that ML is only 20-30% syn. Now is that being frugal or just having good common sense to spend your money wisely?

 

[lexus114]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
actually people buy whats cheaper and in reality its all the pretty much the same


@crazyoildude:

Where have you been lately?

LOL



X2 Yeah COD, where have you been hiding?

 

[gogozy]

Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Honestly i have seen ultra work well cleaning a dirty engine but its still not worth the money when other cheaper oils do the same thing

would you like to shear the name of these cheaper oil ? I like save some $$$

 

[lexus114]

Originally Posted By: gogozy
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Honestly i have seen ultra work well cleaning a dirty engine but its still not worth the money when other cheaper oils do the same thing

would you like to shear the name of these cheaper oil ? I like save some $$$

Uh, PYB.

 

[123Saab]

Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: gogozy
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Honestly i have seen ultra work well cleaning a dirty engine but its still not worth the money when other cheaper oils do the same thing

would you like to shear the name of these cheaper oil ? I like save some $$$

Uh, PYB.


Yep, All oils are exactly the same just rebranded, Ive seen the Refinery that makes them all when I visited Area 51.

 

[gogozy]

Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: gogozy
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Honestly i have seen ultra work well cleaning a dirty engine but its still not worth the money when other cheaper oils do the same thing

would you like to shear the name of these cheaper oil ? I like save some $$$

Uh, PYB.


Yep, All oils are exactly the same just rebranded, Ive seen the Refinery that makes them all when I visited Area 51.

 

[Dakir]

Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: gogozy
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Honestly i have seen ultra work well cleaning a dirty engine but its still not worth the money when other cheaper oils do the same thing

would you like to shear the name of these cheaper oil ? I like save some $$$

Uh, PYB.


X2 pyb is amazing for the cleaning ability let alone the very affordable price.

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Or maybe people outside of BITOG didn't fall for marketing hype and just bought what's cheaper, which most likely was PP or other synthetic oils. And if they wanted to spring premium, they got M1 EP or Edge with actual benefits of extended OCIs.



Neither M1 EP nor Edge has any better long drain potential than does Ultra, advertised life not withstanding.
Ultra has a high starting TBN and both Ultra and Plat show good TBN retention.
Without UOAs, it is idle to claim that either Edge or M1 EP have better long drain potential that either Ultra or Plat.
Certainly the UOA forum shows both SOPUS oils to have considerable long drain potential, as do both M1 EP and Edge.
Neither the XOM nor the Castrol product are necessarily more capable of extended drains than are the SOPUS products.
If you want a real long drain oil, try M1 0W-40, Syntec 0w30 or Ultra 5W-40. These oils have the Euro certs that assure long drain capability, not merely a claim of it.

 

[buster]

The other picture is a standard GF-5 oil, not M1.

I don't know what the PU SN oil looks like (VOA). Ultra's quality is definitely on par with the best IMO.