Pennzoil 5W20, 03 Accord I-4, 3670 mi

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This is my wife's car. She drives mostly short trips (3 miles each way to and from work) along with shopping runs, etc. We usually drive it on the highway on weekends when going to visit relatives. Probably 70% city driving all told. This is the first oil change after the factory fill. Vehicle miles: 7534, miles on oil: 3670. The oil was in service for 5 months (6/22 to 11/29).

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Aluminum 4

Chromium 1

Iron 8

Copper 5

Lead 5

Tin 2

Molybdenum 253

Nickel 0

Manganese 1

Silver 0

Titanium 0

Potassium 2

Boron 52

Silicon 16

Sodium 4

Calcium 2445

Magnesium 5

Phosphorus 702

Zinc 942

Barium 1

TBN: 2.8

VIS@210 50.3

Flashpoint 345

Fuel% 2.0

Antifreeze 0.0

Water TR (what does this mean?)

Insolubles 0.2


Here is Blackstone's comments:

This engine is still fairly new at 7534 miles, so we are not too concerned about any of these readings. The viscosity was pretty low for a used 5w20, but still in the 20W range. Fuel dilution at 2.0% is enough to keep an eye on, but not enough to call a problem yet. Wear looks great, showing no mechanical problems. Universal averages show typical wear from this type of engine after about 5000 miles on the oil. The TBN was mildly low at 2.8, though not to the problem level. Suggest going to 5000 miles on the next oil. Silicon should improve next sample.

I'm thinking 5000 might be too much considering the vehicle's mostly city driving. Maybe 4000 miles tops unless we start taking it on more frequent road trips.

Any thoughts?

BTW, what does "TR" mean for the Water value?
 
Your wear metals are really low for such a young engine. The fuel dilution may improve as the engine wears in.
 
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I'm thinking 5000 might be too much considering the vehicle's mostly city driving. Maybe 4000 miles tops unless we start taking it on more frequent road trips.

What does your OM recommend for severe duty OCI?
 
Decent report-I would be O.K. with it. Fuel dilution is usually flagged at 3%. Can be unburned fuel/products going thru the rings of possibly problem with injectors. Is it getting good milage?? This is one of the reasons your viscosity has dropped. I wouldn't get excited about it yet either.

The trace of water is from your frequent trips and not antifreeze.. Next time when you change oil-get it good and hot.

The silicon is a tad on the high side but is probably from sealants in the new car. Just check the filter seating and intake/intake duct just for drill.

All and all-not bad
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I'd wait until another analysis bf you go over 4K

[ December 07, 2003, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: Al ]
 
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Originally posted by Al:
Decent report-I would be O.K. with it. Fuel dilution is usually flagged at 3%. Can be unburned fuel/products going thru the rings of possibly problem with injectors. Is it getting good milage?? This is one of the reasons your viscosity has dropped. I wouldn't get excited about it yet either.

The trace of water is from your frequent trips and not antifreeze.. Next time when you change oil-get it good and hot.

The silicon is a tad on the high side but is probably from sealants in the new car. Just check the filter seating and intake/intake duct just for drill.

All and all-not bad
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I'd wait until another analysis bf you go over 4K


Al,

The mileage is decent, but not great. On the few highway trips we've been on, it has hit its EPA-rated 33 mpg. But in city driving it generally gets less than its EPA-rated 23 mpg. More like 20-22 mpg.

I did heat up the oil prior to changing and sampling, maybe not enough, though. I believe I took it around the block for a 1-ish mile drive just prior to sampling.

Thanks, I'll double-check the air filter. I know I opened it up at one point just to see what the filter looked like. Perhaps I didn't reinstall it properly.
 
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I did heat up the oil prior to changing and sampling, maybe not enough, though. I believe I took it around the block for a 1-ish mile drive just prior to sampling.

That is nowhere near long enough. I prefer to drive my car at least 25 miles before taking a sample, although in warm weather you could get away with 10-15. But one mile is definitely not long enough to burn off any moisture in the oil.
 
You make a point, Mike. But, I believe Tim's trying to resolve whether his new engine might have a hidden problem, not that his wife rarely fully warms the engine oil. Tim, you and Michelle might want to consider alternating cars daily. Your drive over Kellog hill ought to blow out any condensation and fuel before they accumulate to elevated levels in the sump.
 
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Originally posted by Patman:
That is nowhere near long enough. I prefer to drive my car at least 25 miles before taking a sample, although in warm weather you could get away with 10-15. But one mile is definitely not long enough to burn off any moisture in the oil.

But if he normally drives only 1 to 3 miles per trip, would driving 25 miles not be representative of how his oil normally is?
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