Other ATF equal to Dexron VI ?

[ConfederateTyrant]

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Dude I have a MS degree in mechanical engineering...

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Nothing personal, but so what? You passed some tests, nothing more. You make it seem that you are holier than thou because of it, which does nothing more than give those with higher educations a bad name as being arrogant "know-it-alls."

By the way, before I get blasted for being a "drop-out/degenerate," I am in college, finishing up my 3rd year, and have still kept my scholarship thus far.

Back onto the true debate. You keep saying that you asked if Amsoil ATF was tested "against Dexron VI." If they have not tested it against Dexron VI, it doesn't mean that the new ATF was never tested. It just means it was never tested in a test by test comparison. Field testing is always done when the products are reformulated. In my opinion, field testing is where it counts, as this gives better information on how the transmissions perform with this ATF.

If the field testing proves that the transmissions perform at Dexron VI, Mercon SP, etc. standards, as well as performing better than these standards, then Amsoil will add these ATF specifications to the list which reflects their recommended replacement.

And for the record, Pablo never called anyone a liar, just read his post, there is nothing stating "you are a liar."

 

[wgtoys]

"If the field testing proves that the transmissions perform at Dexron VI, Mercon SP, etc. standards, as well as performing better than these standards, then Amsoil will add these ATF specifications to the list which reflects their recommended replacement."


How do you define "field testing"? Does it mean we poured some in a car, drove it around and it felt fine? Dexron VI is a specific test regimen which is defined. "Field testing" is only a meaningful phrase if the exact test methodology is spelled out and the detailed results are documented and published. Lacking that information it is no better than a marketing claim that says "we are the best".

 

[Whitewolf]

I agree with you about the "field test" since, as far as I can see, the DEXRON VI spec requires a 150,000 mile field test under GM specified conditions in order to prove suitability AFTER having completed the DEXRON VI program. I'm curious to know how AMSOIL have managed to complete an equivalent field test in order to demonstrate DEXRON VI capability on their reported 'October 2006 newly formulated fluid'. We need to see what 'wgtoys' requested, which is: what vehicles were run, under what conditions were they run, and what oil analysis was taken etc. etc. More details please!

 

[onion]

I performed a "field test" of John Deere hydraulic fluid in my '96 Achieva's 4T60E a couple years back. The transmission performed flawlessly.

I'd like to sell ya'll my own special universal ATF, called ClearOil... it ain't red 'cause it's "clearly" tha best. I have approved it for every ATF and hydraulic fluid specification known to man. It's $20 per quart- sold in Gatorade bottles. You gotta special order it from me- I take Paypal.

 

[PT1]

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Dude I have a MS degree in mechanical engineering...

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Nothing personal, but so what? You passed some tests, nothing more. You make it seem that you are holier than thou because of it, which does nothing more than give those with higher educations a bad name as being arrogant "know-it-alls."

By the way, before I get blasted for being a "drop-out/degenerate," I am in college, finishing up my 3rd year, and have still kept my scholarship thus far.

Back onto the true debate. You keep saying that you asked if Amsoil ATF was tested "against Dexron VI." If they have not tested it against Dexron VI, it doesn't mean that the new ATF was never tested. It just means it was never tested in a test by test comparison. Field testing is always done when the products are reformulated. In my opinion, field testing is where it counts, as this gives better information on how the transmissions perform with this ATF.

If the field testing proves that the transmissions perform at Dexron VI, Mercon SP, etc. standards, as well as performing better than these standards, then Amsoil will add these ATF specifications to the list which reflects their recommended replacement.

And for the record, Pablo never called anyone a liar, just read his post, there is nothing stating "you are a liar."

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you miss reading 101 ?

Yes he accused me of not telling the truth and if you can't read that it's not my problem and excuse me for being educated....

 

[Rand]

blah I come back from taking a break from the board and its disrespectful #@$%! posts like these that remind me why I left

The board used to be a very civil place but its grown up now and the children are unruly.

 

[PT1]

I think I need a break and I haven't been here that long. Especially when people who don't have any education berate all the hours and thousands of dollars I spent on graduate school.

 

[Whitewolf]

Don't give up ... I like your attitude and your views! Education? Been there, done that!!!

 

[ConfederateTyrant]

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Yes he accused me of not telling the truth and if you can't read that it's not my problem and excuse me for being educated....

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See dude, that's just it, accusing and blatantly stating "you are a liar" are two different things.

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I think I need a break and I haven't been here that long. Especially when people who don't have any education berate all the hours and thousands of dollars I spent on graduate school.

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For starters, I do have education, again read my post. It's nothing personal, just tired of people acting like their "higher education" excuses them from being possibly mistaken or wrong.

Whitewolf,
Hopefully Pablo will come up with some kind of detailed published documentation on what testing was performed. I'll be glad to see this as well.

 

[TR Graham]

How about getting back to the original subject?

 

[Whitewolf]

I think that we are on the original subject. What we are talking about is claims versus fact. So far fact says that NONE of these alternate fluids can show ANY evidence that they meet the spec.

 

[Pablo]

And that's where we get all contentious. I mean if someone wants the security of a fully licensed Dexron VI fluid, please by all means buy the fluids listed.

I will say there are better options, there are alternatives. Explore those other fluids, weigh the risks and benefits. Some folks overemphasize the risks, some folks hype the benefits.

 

[Whitewolf]

You know we nearly agreed there. It was just the bit about there being better options.

 

[badasp]

Pinging whitewolf,

You have a PM

 

[MonumentOiler]

If the education received was really valuable then the results would speak for themselves without having to have "M.S. Mech. Eng." tacked on at the end.

I don't discount the value of higher education but am not impressed with degrees.

 

[PT1]

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If the education received was really valuable then the results would speak for themselves without having to have "M.S. Mech. Eng." tacked on at the end.

I don't discount the value of higher education but am not impressed with degrees.

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I was responding to the comment that I "was confused". And my point being that I have enough technical education and automotive engineering experence not to be "confused". I'm not here to impress you or anyone else who might be threatened by or jealous of people who completed their education and certainly won't apologize for doing same.

I was simply under personal attack by the Amsoil salesman and was responding. If that upsets you then go order some Amsoil maybe that will make you feel better...I don't know. BUt what I do know is that there is still no test data or responses to the request for the original topic here other that mysterious secret "phone calls" from those on hig at Amsoil. That's.....lots of personal attacks, smoke screens, and still no data.....gee am I surprised.

 

[PT1]

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Field testing is always done when the products are reformulated. In my opinion, field testing is where it counts, as this gives better information on how the transmissions perform with this ATF.

If the field testing proves that the transmissions perform at Dexron VI, Mercon SP, etc. standards, as well as performing better than these standards, then Amsoil will add these ATF specifications to the list which reflects their recommended replacement.

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The Amsoil technical support people told me that they have NOT field tested the ATF in a vehicle.So are they lying?

 

[GMorg]

I have been told many incorrect things by tech support at many different companies. (I don't think I would even try to get valid info from Microsoft or Dish Network any more.) However, I would hope that most people are bright enough to understand that there is a difference between being lying and being incorrect. PT1's last statement implies that there are only two options. A technical support person is either correct or they are lying. I would guess that if we really thought about this for while (even those of us with advanced degrees) we may be able to realize that other options exist.

 

[Pablo]

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The Amsoil technical support people told me that they have NOT field tested the ATF in a vehicle.So are they lying?

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And again this is not true. I'm willing to accept that the tech support person is incorrect. I even told the guy I spoke with that he needs to get that corrected. I stand by the fact that Amsoil has and continues to test the ATF in metropolitan fleets.

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I was simply under personal attack by the Amsoil salesman and was responding. If that upsets you then go order some Amsoil maybe that will make you feel better...I don't know. BUt what I do know is that there is still no test data or responses to the request for the original topic here other that mysterious secret "phone calls" from those on hig at Amsoil. That's.....lots of personal attacks, smoke screens, and still no data.....gee am I surprised.

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I never once "attacked" you. I defended the company I represent from your errors. The phone call was not "secret". I did not have to post it - IN FACT I got in just a little hot water for probably saying too much. I have put up no smoke screens. I made a separate thread to state very simply that there will be no wholesale release of data. Amsoil, may from time to time release portions of their test information. Just like other companies do.

 

[LubeMan]

Back to the topic...Amsoil is one of the many companies known for misleading claims...there is a process in place to get a license...yet some companies just want to be self certified..because guess what they dont pay the warranty...OEM's ..quick lube places will sell th eproduct and keep their fingers crossed and hope customers dont have a problem.