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Originally Posted By: CompSyn
Also, motor oil purchased in 1938 appears to have been the API (SB) service category which ran to 1951.
The earlier API (SA) service category which apparently ran from 19?? to 1930 says, “CAUTION: contains no additives.”
Did motor oil additive blending begin around 1931 with the API (SB) service category?
Interesting history,
Thanks Fraso
There were no API service categories until about 1952. Before that it was a fairly loose definition of
Regular
Premium
Heavy Duty
Brand names, like Havoline, mattered a lot more back then.
Not counting diesel categories, DG, etc.,
API
ML = Motor Light
MM = Motor Moderate
MS = Motor Severe
were the gasoline engine categories until the mid 1970's when the current Sx and Cy system replaced it.
Also, motor oil purchased in 1938 appears to have been the API (SB) service category which ran to 1951.
The earlier API (SA) service category which apparently ran from 19?? to 1930 says, “CAUTION: contains no additives.”
Did motor oil additive blending begin around 1931 with the API (SB) service category?
Interesting history,
Thanks Fraso
There were no API service categories until about 1952. Before that it was a fairly loose definition of
Regular
Premium
Heavy Duty
Brand names, like Havoline, mattered a lot more back then.
Not counting diesel categories, DG, etc.,
API
ML = Motor Light
MM = Motor Moderate
MS = Motor Severe
were the gasoline engine categories until the mid 1970's when the current Sx and Cy system replaced it.
Originally Posted By: 2003f7
Ford still calls for this on my mothers 03 Escape!
Ford changed to 5K miles about 10 years...At least the Ford dealers in Miami and Fort Lauderdale did.
Ford still calls for this on my mothers 03 Escape!
Ford changed to 5K miles about 10 years...At least the Ford dealers in Miami and Fort Lauderdale did.
The 1961 Chryslers called for oil changes every 60 days...
http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/General/57-68Maint/57-61ChryslerMaintChart1-reg.jpg
By 1966 they were calling for 3 month / 4,000 mile changes. And that was for a 440 V-8 with a cute lil' 4 quart sump, no less!
http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1966/Ads/Warranty.jpg
One can certainly find occasional NEEDS for 3,000 changes. That said, knowing that the 1966 Chrysler Imperials could go 4,000 miles on a Goober lube, I tend to laugh when I hear folks recommend 3K change-outs for newer rides.
http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/General/57-68Maint/57-61ChryslerMaintChart1-reg.jpg
By 1966 they were calling for 3 month / 4,000 mile changes. And that was for a 440 V-8 with a cute lil' 4 quart sump, no less!
http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1966/Ads/Warranty.jpg
One can certainly find occasional NEEDS for 3,000 changes. That said, knowing that the 1966 Chrysler Imperials could go 4,000 miles on a Goober lube, I tend to laugh when I hear folks recommend 3K change-outs for newer rides.
My 48 Packard owners' manual recommends 1000 to 2000 mile oil changes.
I have scans of the manual, but no means of uploading it here?
I have scans of the manual, but no means of uploading it here?
Originally Posted By: gmchevroletruck
it goes off at 6k without any other calculation? Doesn't depend on your driving habits, engine temperature, trip length, rpm, throttle position, anything? There was another post I read from someone who was bragging about the comlexity of the gm OLM system on the trucks, which I assume would be the same as what's on your Saturn (?)...
The poster said that it was one of the "earlier" OLM systems. Newer ones do as you describe, taking variables besides mileage into account. In my Cobalt it's varied from about 6500 to 9500 miles, depending on how much city/hwy I do.
it goes off at 6k without any other calculation? Doesn't depend on your driving habits, engine temperature, trip length, rpm, throttle position, anything? There was another post I read from someone who was bragging about the comlexity of the gm OLM system on the trucks, which I assume would be the same as what's on your Saturn (?)...
The poster said that it was one of the "earlier" OLM systems. Newer ones do as you describe, taking variables besides mileage into account. In my Cobalt it's varied from about 6500 to 9500 miles, depending on how much city/hwy I do.
My first car in 1964: '63 Chevy Impala 2drht 283 stick, 2000 oci
Originally Posted By: CompSyn
Originally Posted By: oilslick44
I checked my 51 Plymouth manual and they recommend 2500 to 3000 mile oil changes unless driven in dusty conditions. Oil filter at 8000 miles if so equipped. Chassis lube 1000 miles.
Thanks. Curious? What do you mean by "Oil filter at 8000 miles if so equipped"? Was the oil filter an option?
possibly...
I know the old air cooled VW engines up to sometime in the 70's only had a metal screen to "filter" the oil, if that much filtration...
Originally Posted By: oilslick44
I checked my 51 Plymouth manual and they recommend 2500 to 3000 mile oil changes unless driven in dusty conditions. Oil filter at 8000 miles if so equipped. Chassis lube 1000 miles.
Thanks. Curious? What do you mean by "Oil filter at 8000 miles if so equipped"? Was the oil filter an option?
possibly...
I know the old air cooled VW engines up to sometime in the 70's only had a metal screen to "filter" the oil, if that much filtration...
The old Kendell site prior to the Sunoco/Conoco-Phillips takeovers had a really interesting historical link on its site in the late 90's to early 2000's.
The original OCI for a Model T and such was 500 miles. Kendell claimed to be one of the first companies to have additives and a refining capacity to increase the OCI with their oils to 2000 miles by the late 1920's or very early 30's, IIRC...
The original OCI for a Model T and such was 500 miles. Kendell claimed to be one of the first companies to have additives and a refining capacity to increase the OCI with their oils to 2000 miles by the late 1920's or very early 30's, IIRC...
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Originally Posted By: CompSyn
Originally Posted By: oilslick44
I checked my 51 Plymouth manual and they recommend 2500 to 3000 mile oil changes unless driven in dusty conditions. Oil filter at 8000 miles if so equipped. Chassis lube 1000 miles.
Thanks. Curious? What do you mean by "Oil filter at 8000 miles if so equipped"? Was the oil filter an option?
possibly...
I know the old air cooled VW engines up to sometime in the 70's only had a metal screen to "filter" the oil, if that much filtration...
My Packard never had an oil filter. That was optional equipment back then. The style used then was a cartridge using "partial- flow". Non-detergent oils were often used in these cars as the idea was that the oil would trap contaminants in the sludge it formed in the pan and keep them from circulating. The related maintenance schedule calls for dropping the oil pan and cleaning it out every 10k miles.
Originally Posted By: CompSyn
Originally Posted By: oilslick44
I checked my 51 Plymouth manual and they recommend 2500 to 3000 mile oil changes unless driven in dusty conditions. Oil filter at 8000 miles if so equipped. Chassis lube 1000 miles.
Thanks. Curious? What do you mean by "Oil filter at 8000 miles if so equipped"? Was the oil filter an option?
possibly...
I know the old air cooled VW engines up to sometime in the 70's only had a metal screen to "filter" the oil, if that much filtration...
My Packard never had an oil filter. That was optional equipment back then. The style used then was a cartridge using "partial- flow". Non-detergent oils were often used in these cars as the idea was that the oil would trap contaminants in the sludge it formed in the pan and keep them from circulating. The related maintenance schedule calls for dropping the oil pan and cleaning it out every 10k miles.
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
The old Kendell site prior to the Sunoco/Conoco-Phillips takeovers had a really interesting historical link on its site in the late 90's to early 2000's.
The original OCI for a Model T and such was 500 miles. Kendell claimed to be one of the first companies to have additives and a refining capacity to increase the OCI with their oils to 2000 miles by the late 1920's or very early 30's, IIRC...
" In 1902, the Kendall Refinery was purchased by the Penn Lubricating Co. Otto Koch, a successful Bradford mortician and businessman, was a major Penn Lubricating Co. shareholder. Koch was elected Secretary-Treasure of Penn Lubricating and appointed General Manager of the Kendall Refinery in 1906. In the decade that followed, Koch would market the refined products manufactured by Penn Lubricating as Sunshine Oil. Koch remained with Kendall until his death in 1948 when he was Chairman of the Board. Penn Lubricating was reorganized in 1913 and given the new name, Kendall Refining Co.
Koch acquired Kendall’s first producing property in 1917 and increased the firm’s producing holdings in the Bradford Field dramatically in the early 1920’s. Kendall initiated its first national marketing program in 1923 and placed its first full-page ad in The Saturday Evening Post in 1928. It was then, Koch introduced the slogan, “Kendall, the 2,000 Mile Oil”. At a time when automobile oil changes were made every 500 miles, the familiar Kendall logo illustrating a folded right hand with two fingers extended was a graphic reference to Kendall’s revolutionary 2,000 mile oil."
That would be the Amsoil of the 1920's.
The old Kendell site prior to the Sunoco/Conoco-Phillips takeovers had a really interesting historical link on its site in the late 90's to early 2000's.
The original OCI for a Model T and such was 500 miles. Kendell claimed to be one of the first companies to have additives and a refining capacity to increase the OCI with their oils to 2000 miles by the late 1920's or very early 30's, IIRC...
" In 1902, the Kendall Refinery was purchased by the Penn Lubricating Co. Otto Koch, a successful Bradford mortician and businessman, was a major Penn Lubricating Co. shareholder. Koch was elected Secretary-Treasure of Penn Lubricating and appointed General Manager of the Kendall Refinery in 1906. In the decade that followed, Koch would market the refined products manufactured by Penn Lubricating as Sunshine Oil. Koch remained with Kendall until his death in 1948 when he was Chairman of the Board. Penn Lubricating was reorganized in 1913 and given the new name, Kendall Refining Co.
Koch acquired Kendall’s first producing property in 1917 and increased the firm’s producing holdings in the Bradford Field dramatically in the early 1920’s. Kendall initiated its first national marketing program in 1923 and placed its first full-page ad in The Saturday Evening Post in 1928. It was then, Koch introduced the slogan, “Kendall, the 2,000 Mile Oil”. At a time when automobile oil changes were made every 500 miles, the familiar Kendall logo illustrating a folded right hand with two fingers extended was a graphic reference to Kendall’s revolutionary 2,000 mile oil."
That would be the Amsoil of the 1920's.
Originally Posted By: labman
Oh it jumps around. I forget what some of my earlier cars called for. My 81 Phoenix called for 6K. It sludged on SF Quaker State. By 92 Pontiac was at least much more explicit about 3K for short trips. My 02 Cavalier is about the same. With better oils, I think they are moving to longer intervals again.
In the mid 60s I had a 64 Valiant slant 6 that badly sludged on QS with 2K OCIs.
Oh it jumps around. I forget what some of my earlier cars called for. My 81 Phoenix called for 6K. It sludged on SF Quaker State. By 92 Pontiac was at least much more explicit about 3K for short trips. My 02 Cavalier is about the same. With better oils, I think they are moving to longer intervals again.
In the mid 60s I had a 64 Valiant slant 6 that badly sludged on QS with 2K OCIs.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: labman
Oh it jumps around. I forget what some of my earlier cars called for. My 81 Phoenix called for 6K. It sludged on SF Quaker State. By 92 Pontiac was at least much more explicit about 3K for short trips. My 02 Cavalier is about the same. With better oils, I think they are moving to longer intervals again.
In the mid 60s I had a 64 Valiant slant 6 that badly sludged on QS with 2K OCIs.
No better in the late 80's mid 90's. Left me with a stigma for oil in a green bottle.
Originally Posted By: labman
Oh it jumps around. I forget what some of my earlier cars called for. My 81 Phoenix called for 6K. It sludged on SF Quaker State. By 92 Pontiac was at least much more explicit about 3K for short trips. My 02 Cavalier is about the same. With better oils, I think they are moving to longer intervals again.
In the mid 60s I had a 64 Valiant slant 6 that badly sludged on QS with 2K OCIs.
No better in the late 80's mid 90's. Left me with a stigma for oil in a green bottle.
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
No better in the late 80's mid 90's. Left me with a stigma for oil in a green bottle.
before the SOPUS purchase of the brand no?
(quick wiki search shows that Quaker State & Pennzoil merged in 98, then Royal Dutch Shell bought THAT company(Pennzoil-Quaker State) in '02, forming SOPUS..)
No better in the late 80's mid 90's. Left me with a stigma for oil in a green bottle.
before the SOPUS purchase of the brand no?
(quick wiki search shows that Quaker State & Pennzoil merged in 98, then Royal Dutch Shell bought THAT company(Pennzoil-Quaker State) in '02, forming SOPUS..)
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