It's about as expensive as the Mobil 1/Royal Purple synthetics... But I heard a lot of good things about it from old-school gearheads. Maybe that's a problem! lol!
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I dont like my transmission playin tricks on me, but thats just me LOL.
The synthetic Trickshift is a Dexron-III ATF. You can use it in any Dex3/Mercon transmissions.
The regular Trick Shift is for 'built' transmissions. IMO, it more like a type-F fluid and should NOT be used in stock transmissions or electronically controlled transmissions that require HFM fluids.
The regular Trick Shift is for 'built' transmissions. IMO, it more like a type-F fluid and should NOT be used in stock transmissions or electronically controlled transmissions that require HFM fluids.
It seems to be overpriced when I looked at it a few years back.
I think undummy brings up some good points.
I think undummy brings up some good points.
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The original offering of this stuff was a mess. Every would be street rodder put it in their transmissions. The stuff was just chuck full of added friction material. Gave outstanding crisp shifts .......and also left half of the internals in the pan eventually.
They've improved it radically since that time (the mid to late 70's).
They've improved it radically since that time (the mid to late 70's).
Thanks guys... So much for "tricky shifting"
I think I will stick to a true, 100% synthetic. I was happy with the Royal Purple. Then, Ford went retro with the Mercon V for my Police Interceptor, and I have it in there now. I can't tell any difference between it and the Dexron III R/P.
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You also didn't use it when it first came out either. Trust me. The stuff was heavily loaded with friction material and many a "thought they were" street rodder paid big time for using it. They were not prepared to pay like a real racer with all kinds of wear expense.
Back then ..many trans rebuilders used one fluid for all automatics ..Type F. It gave crisper shifts for their customers. The car would likely not see another 20k with the same owner ..so what would be the risk
Typical racer logic---blame the fluid!
I never had a problem with Trickshift or so the called 'full of friction material'.
Most problems start with poor cooling/filtration and poorly built(improperly sized) transmissions along with the terrible stock or generic clutch/band materials used at the time.
I never had a problem with Trickshift or so the called 'full of friction material'.
Most problems start with poor cooling/filtration and poorly built(improperly sized) transmissions along with the terrible stock or generic clutch/band materials used at the time.
Hi Gary,
1974 Mercedes 240D specifies Dexron. Dexron III is reputedly more slippery than Dexron. I bought Hurst Hot Shift (probably a knockoff of Trickshift). I noticed the bottle says Dexron compatible and nothing on Dexron III.
My Mercedes mechanic claims that they can get Dexron fine and suggested I stay clear of this fluid. The main issue for an older car like 240D is possible auto trans slipping with Dexron III.
On my 1989 Honda Civic which specifies Dexron II, the transmission will self destruct if Dexron III is used. Therefore, I purchase Honda brand ATF. Honda uses only two or three quarts a filling so the high price per bottle does not hurt much. In contrast, 240D needs five liters.
I think Type F would have even more Friction. I heard that mixing a small amount of Type F will convert Dexron fluid to Type F. Would you suggest mixing Type F with Dexron for older cars?
W115nut
1974 Mercedes 240D specifies Dexron. Dexron III is reputedly more slippery than Dexron. I bought Hurst Hot Shift (probably a knockoff of Trickshift). I noticed the bottle says Dexron compatible and nothing on Dexron III.
My Mercedes mechanic claims that they can get Dexron fine and suggested I stay clear of this fluid. The main issue for an older car like 240D is possible auto trans slipping with Dexron III.
On my 1989 Honda Civic which specifies Dexron II, the transmission will self destruct if Dexron III is used. Therefore, I purchase Honda brand ATF. Honda uses only two or three quarts a filling so the high price per bottle does not hurt much. In contrast, 240D needs five liters.
I think Type F would have even more Friction. I heard that mixing a small amount of Type F will convert Dexron fluid to Type F. Would you suggest mixing Type F with Dexron for older cars?
W115nut
Your post makes absolutely no sense at all. All future revisions of Dexron were designed to be backwards compatible with all prior Dexron fills. GM is designed it this way.
May be you are correct in that Dexron III is "slicker" than Dexron II or Dexron. But any difference should not be significant enought to cause problems as the fluid was designed to work in all applications before Dexron III.
I'm running Chevron Dexron IIIH right now in a '92 Previa that originally spec'ed Dexron II. The transmission shifts fine.
May be you are correct in that Dexron III is "slicker" than Dexron II or Dexron. But any difference should not be significant enought to cause problems as the fluid was designed to work in all applications before Dexron III.
I'm running Chevron Dexron IIIH right now in a '92 Previa that originally spec'ed Dexron II. The transmission shifts fine.
Well I haven't used Trick shift to mix with the Toyota T-IV in the AT of my 04 Toyota Matrix, but I have put a Hot shift in and it mixed well. I don't think put it in replacement for Dextron II. Oh well.
Anyways, Toyota was specing with Dex II for quite some time and it doesn't seem any worse using Dex III in the PS(I can't use it in the Transmission) than the factory fill of Toyota's Dex II.
Anyways, Toyota was specing with Dex II for quite some time and it doesn't seem any worse using Dex III in the PS(I can't use it in the Transmission) than the factory fill of Toyota's Dex II.
Great minds think alike, I do not need to post these responses, you should do google search and the information is out there. I think the posters should make sure they know what they are talking about.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3828/is_199811/ai_n8822473/pg_2
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3828/is_199811/ai_n8822473/pg_2
Trick shift is similar to Typr F fluid.
It is 'grabby'.
It is 'grabby'.
Hi there,
A little grabby is much better than slippery.-) Grabby will not kill transmission, too slippery will.
The label says it is Dexron. If it was like Type F, they would label as such.
That said, Dexron and Dexron II may be more similar to Mercon V.
W115nut
A little grabby is much better than slippery.-) Grabby will not kill transmission, too slippery will.
The label says it is Dexron. If it was like Type F, they would label as such.
That said, Dexron and Dexron II may be more similar to Mercon V.
W115nut
Are you sure about that? The key is the correct level of friction modification, so the shifts will not to be to slippery nor too grabby.
Wouldn't shifts being "too grabby" wear out the friction material as well?
Actually, Dexron III/Mercon have been labeled as dual-rated fluids for years.
There's no evidence that suggests the friction modification of Mercon and Mercon-V to be mutually exclusive. However, Mercon-V has improved dynamic friction retention for the fill-for-life requirement and increased anti-shudder protection. Mercon-V also requires a Group II or higher base oil.
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Critic - you're half right. He's correct. Too sloppy ..more wear. "Snappier" shifts may wear a few trans/motor mounts ..CV joints ..universals ..but their far easier (typically) on transmissions. Almost ALL wear is from transitional shifting states where two gears are partially engaged. If you ever drive a 70's BMW 2002 or Audi 100LS you would know what Europe thought of smooth shifting (MB managed to pamper their owners in, at least, the larger imported sedans (the only V8 imported by 1968 was the 600 Limo).quote:
Originally posted by The Critic:
Are you sure about that? The key is the correct level of friction modification, so the shifts will not to be to slippery nor too grabby.
Wouldn't shifts being "too grabby" wear out the friction material as well?
The thing is ..you want the "grab" to be from more precise valving and timing of the applications and not from just adding more friction material (or in this case "less" friction modified fluid). That's what the original TrickShift did ..and just wasn't right.
I only continue with this rant since I catch a lingering hint of you figuring that these fluids are something marvelous. They're only a compensating bandaid for senseless over engineering.
That is, "W115nut, you NEED this stuff to sucessfully operate this very vulnerable piece of equipment"...and not "This stuff is the best thing since sliced bread". It's has served nothing toward accomplishing anything revolutionary in terms of power transmission. Lockups and OD's have been around longer then these magic fluids and few were plagued with "issues" due to the design features that seem to need so much "compensation".
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