Thanks rudophina - I see trends.
Oil wear comparison spreadsheet
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Thanks for putting time into this Rudolphna! Although not very scientific, it's fun to look at. Besides, one thing this study did reveal is who the ***** are on this forum. I joke, I joke... Or do I?
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It's not a connection unless the relationship is demonstrated.
So an expert says that M1 produces excessive valvetrain wear, and some competitors have stated that M1 causes excess valvetrain wear on an engine test. To top it off, no one else on this board, including Doug, has contradicted him.
It's not a connection unless the relationship is demonstrated.
So an expert says that M1 produces excessive valvetrain wear, and some competitors have stated that M1 causes excess valvetrain wear on an engine test. To top it off, no one else on this board, including Doug, has contradicted him.
Originally Posted By: prax
so an expert says that M1 produces excessive valvetrain wear
...due to an external factor, and in a way that you admitted you don't understand.
Originally Posted By: prax
and some competitors have stated that M1 causes excess valvetrain wear on an engine test.
...which involves zero fuel dilution.
Originally Posted By: prax
To top it off, no one else on this board, including Doug, has contradicted him.
You sure about that?
so an expert says that M1 produces excessive valvetrain wear
...due to an external factor, and in a way that you admitted you don't understand.
Originally Posted By: prax
and some competitors have stated that M1 causes excess valvetrain wear on an engine test.
...which involves zero fuel dilution.
Originally Posted By: prax
To top it off, no one else on this board, including Doug, has contradicted him.
You sure about that?
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...which involves zero fuel dilution.
Sequence Iva attempts to replicate low temperature wear or as ASTM says, "This test method is designed to simulate extended engine idling vehicle operations" or conditions that would promote fuel dilution.
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You sure about that?
That's his proprietary conclusion. I don't see another tribologist offering propetiary data.
...which involves zero fuel dilution.
Sequence Iva attempts to replicate low temperature wear or as ASTM says, "This test method is designed to simulate extended engine idling vehicle operations" or conditions that would promote fuel dilution.
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You sure about that?
That's his proprietary conclusion. I don't see another tribologist offering propetiary data.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Doug isn't a tribologist
Thank you. Doug is not a tribologist, chemist, or formulator. His opinions are his own. I like Doug, but putting him on a pedestal as if he knows as much as a formulator is a bit ridiculous don't you think?
Castrol- 8x better wear on Seq IVA
Ashland - 4x better wear on Seq IVA
Coincidence? Doubtful.
Doug isn't a tribologist
Thank you. Doug is not a tribologist, chemist, or formulator. His opinions are his own. I like Doug, but putting him on a pedestal as if he knows as much as a formulator is a bit ridiculous don't you think?
Castrol- 8x better wear on Seq IVA
Ashland - 4x better wear on Seq IVA
Coincidence? Doubtful.
No offense to rudolphna. But you guys are praising this stacked effort against M1(clearly several very good M1 UOAs were left out intentionally, posted in the last 6 months) and bashing one of the few men that has years of experience in engine maintainence and fleet supervision. What has happened to your common since?
Just my opinion - based on various tidbits of info as well as my personal experiences using different oils - that Mobil 1 is better for people who don't drive their vehicles hard very often, and who also like to extend their intervals past 8K or 10K miles.
For the crowd of people who:
a) will never leave any oil in their engine longer than 5K to 8K miles
b) would rather burn gas by putting the pedal to the metal and beating the yellow light rather than sitting there idling-away the gas for 1 to 2 minutes (I know, it's a terrible mental illness some of us have to live with every day)...
...for this crowd, I believe Synpower will perform better.
But this is just my personal opinion here. I'm no chemist, tribologist, or expert in any way. I don't work for an oil company, nor do I have money invested in any oil companies. Feel free, anybody, to disagree with my post, call me names, etc etc.
For the crowd of people who:
a) will never leave any oil in their engine longer than 5K to 8K miles
b) would rather burn gas by putting the pedal to the metal and beating the yellow light rather than sitting there idling-away the gas for 1 to 2 minutes (I know, it's a terrible mental illness some of us have to live with every day)...
...for this crowd, I believe Synpower will perform better.
But this is just my personal opinion here. I'm no chemist, tribologist, or expert in any way. I don't work for an oil company, nor do I have money invested in any oil companies. Feel free, anybody, to disagree with my post, call me names, etc etc.
Originally Posted By: RPMster
Just my opinion - based on various tidbits of info as well as my personal experiences using different oils - that Mobil 1 is better for people who don't drive their vehicles hard very often, and who also like to extend their intervals past 8K or 10K miles.
For the crowd of people who:
a) will never leave any oil in their engine longer than 5K to 8K miles
b) would rather burn gas by putting the pedal to the metal and beating the yellow light rather than sitting there idling-away the gas for 1 to 2 minutes (I know, it's a terrible mental illness some of us have to live with every day)...
...for this crowd, I believe Synpower will perform better.
But this is just my personal opinion here. I'm no chemist, tribologist, or expert in any way. I don't work for an oil company, nor do I have money invested in any oil companies. Feel free, anybody, to disagree with my post, call me names, etc etc.
Not true. Some of the finest high performance engines in the world recommend M1.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Factory_Fill/Vehicles_Filled_Mobil_1.aspx?pg=1#Mercedes AMG
Just my opinion - based on various tidbits of info as well as my personal experiences using different oils - that Mobil 1 is better for people who don't drive their vehicles hard very often, and who also like to extend their intervals past 8K or 10K miles.
For the crowd of people who:
a) will never leave any oil in their engine longer than 5K to 8K miles
b) would rather burn gas by putting the pedal to the metal and beating the yellow light rather than sitting there idling-away the gas for 1 to 2 minutes (I know, it's a terrible mental illness some of us have to live with every day)...
...for this crowd, I believe Synpower will perform better.
But this is just my personal opinion here. I'm no chemist, tribologist, or expert in any way. I don't work for an oil company, nor do I have money invested in any oil companies. Feel free, anybody, to disagree with my post, call me names, etc etc.
Not true. Some of the finest high performance engines in the world recommend M1.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Factory_Fill/Vehicles_Filled_Mobil_1.aspx?pg=1#Mercedes AMG
RP your in big trouble now you said Synpower is better then Mobil 1 the Mobil 1 Fanboys will be after you ....BTW your 100% right Synpower is superior too Mobil 1. Glad we have the UOA section it separates fact from fiction esp. regarding Mobil 1. OH one more thing Synpower is 4 times better then Mobil 1 when it comes too protecting the camshaft.
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Originally Posted By: zddp77
RP your in big trouble now you said Synpower is better then Mobil 1 the Mobil 1 Fanboys will be after you ....BTW your 100% right Synpower is superior too Mobil 1. Glad we have the UOA section it separates fact from fiction esp. regarding Mobil 1. OH one more thing Synpower is 4 times better then Mobil 1 when it comes too protecting the camshaft.
I'll be sure to let you know how my almost 500lbs open valve springs work with Delvac 1 in the 5.0L engine in my signature.
How many cam swaps have you done personally? How much experience with actual engines, do you have? I'm just curious, since you put SO much faith in UOA's.
RP your in big trouble now you said Synpower is better then Mobil 1 the Mobil 1 Fanboys will be after you ....BTW your 100% right Synpower is superior too Mobil 1. Glad we have the UOA section it separates fact from fiction esp. regarding Mobil 1. OH one more thing Synpower is 4 times better then Mobil 1 when it comes too protecting the camshaft.
I'll be sure to let you know how my almost 500lbs open valve springs work with Delvac 1 in the 5.0L engine in my signature.
How many cam swaps have you done personally? How much experience with actual engines, do you have? I'm just curious, since you put SO much faith in UOA's.
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Originally Posted By: buster
http://jobbersworld.com/valvolineq&Apage1.htm
Do you seriously have to keep posting that link in every bloody thread recently?
http://jobbersworld.com/valvolineq&Apage1.htm
Do you seriously have to keep posting that link in every bloody thread recently?
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Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Doug isn't a tribologist
Doug Hillary commenting on Tribologist moniker
Doug has addressed this in the past.
Doug isn't a tribologist
Doug Hillary commenting on Tribologist moniker
Doug has addressed this in the past.
While I respect Doug Hillary's opinions, I believe his vast experience is with fleet transportation vehicles. These vehicles certainly don't see the same conditions as your average family vehicle.
And we can argue the value of UOA's, and ppm of iron forever. The fact remains that both Valvoline and Castrol made claims of better wear protection based on an actual bench test that measures actual wear on the cam lobes. Some here say " bad/soft cams", or "bad batch", or "Katrina".
Now, how much actual value is the sequence IVA test in predicting wear in an actual engine in real world conditions?
I have no idea !!!
And we can argue the value of UOA's, and ppm of iron forever. The fact remains that both Valvoline and Castrol made claims of better wear protection based on an actual bench test that measures actual wear on the cam lobes. Some here say " bad/soft cams", or "bad batch", or "Katrina".
Now, how much actual value is the sequence IVA test in predicting wear in an actual engine in real world conditions?
I have no idea !!!
I would say sequence IVA is extremely relevant, and more relevant than any single bench test.
But these are Valvoline's results, and if there ever was a problem I'm sure M1 has long since corrected it. I noticed the 8x and 4x advertisements are disappearing from SynPower and Edge bottles.
Oh yeah, and this thread is evil.
But these are Valvoline's results, and if there ever was a problem I'm sure M1 has long since corrected it. I noticed the 8x and 4x advertisements are disappearing from SynPower and Edge bottles.
Oh yeah, and this thread is evil.
If Bill wants to lock this thread now, I will ok the move. Please.
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