Oil for 3.6L VVT DI?

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OK, I did something I normally would never do, which is to buy a new car without doing a lot of research. I picked up a 2012 Malibu with the 3.6L VVT DI. I was looking for a CTS with the 3.6L but stumbled upon a deal on the Malibu I couldn't pass up. Anyway, I got the car and then started doing research and now realize the DI engines are hard on oil. I was hoping for a 10K+ OCI with Amsoil AZO or ASL but realize that isn't going to happen due to the 5,500 mi OCI programmed into the OLM.

I want to use an oil that "meets or exceeds" dexos specs, although I'm not that worried if it is not "certified" by GM. If a powertrain warranty item is denied due to the oil used, GM will have to prove the failure was caused by the oil and that will be extremely difficult. My primary concern is longevity of the engine as I'd like to pass the car on to a family member in a few years.

I've looked at Redline 0W-30/5w30 and Amsoil AZO/ASL due to the low NOACK #s and they seem great for the engine but also seem expensive and overkill for a 5,500 mile OCI. I've also looked at XL and OE and they seem like a good fit, although the NOACK is significantly higher than the full synthetics mentioned above (10.5 and 10.6, respectively). I checked QS Ultimate and PU and they look fine except for the high NOACK, about 12%. I've searched for days for some UOA on GM DI engines and found a few but not enough for me to make a decision.

I guess my question for the group is: Are the top shelf Redline and Amsoil oils way overkill for a 5,500 OCI, or acceptable (even preferred) for a DI engine? OR, would I be just fine with Amsoil OE or XL oils, keeping in mind the potential valve issues with higher NOACK oils in DI engines?
 
I have a 3.6L DI in a 09 Enclave. I am currently running Amsoil 5W30 ASL but have not performed a UOA. I will not run ASL past 5K in this engine. I have less than 19K miles and have run FF, Mobil 7500, M1, PU, and now ASL and my average OCI is around 3200 miles. Sorry, just cannot bring myself to run longer with this engine.

There is a gentleman who runs Valvoline conventional 5W30 and turns in UOAs that is not rivaled by any synthetic with 5K OCIs or less. PU has turned in good UOAs in the 3.6L DI engines used in the GM crossovers.

I will be using Kendall GT-1 5W30 full synthetic for my next change. No real reason why except it looks good and it appears Conoco/Phillips oils do well in whatever application they are used in.

The lighter Malibu may not stress the 3.6L DI as the heavy crossovers do and thus the 3.6L Di in a Malibu may not be as hard on oil.
 
No need to lose any sleep, Malibu with the 3.6 is a great car, I have an 08 LTZ with the 3.6 and it's been trouble free, run Pennz Platinum in mine with a Wix filter, not a fan of extended oil changes so I change it all out at the 5K mark.
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Originally Posted By: Malo83
No need to lose any sleep, Malibu with the 3.6 is a great car, I have an 08 LTZ with the 3.6 and it's been trouble free, run Pennz Platinum in mine with a Wix filter, not a fan of extended oil changes so I change it all out at the 5K mark.
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+1 to this.
 
My concern with the PP is the high NOACK. It may work great for most of the engine but what about the valves?
 
Nice car!

AFAIK, GM hasn't had the intake valve deposit issues with their DI engines that VAG has had. If it was me, I'd run a dexos oil like PP or QSUD and be happy.
 
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Originally Posted By: Malo83
No need to lose any sleep, Malibu with the 3.6 is a great car, I have an 08 LTZ with the 3.6 and it's been trouble free, run Pennz Platinum in mine with a Wix filter, not a fan of extended oil changes so I change it all out at the 5K mark.
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+1 to this.


+2 Or use a P1 filter. Whichever is easier to find.
 
I can get Wix pretty easy but if I time my buying right I can usually get a good rebate on the P1 so I'll probably stock up on the P1s. I like to buy about 4 at a time so I can do my OCI whenever I feel like.

So I did some searching for valve problems on the GM DI engines and couldn't find much. Either it is too early to say or there really isn't that much of an issue with valve problems on these engines.

Anybody know of valve issues on the GM Direct Injection engines?
 
I think Redline and Amsoil are a waste of money in this application. Run any off the shelf synthetic that meets Dexos1 and call it a day if you're going to only run it to 5500 miles or less.

Haven't heard reports of any valve deposit issues but it's too early, honestly. I think it was the 3.6 V6 that had problems with either head gaskets or cracking cylinder heads as well as timing chains - that may have been the older non-DI engine though.
 
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Use whatever syn or syn-blend that is API certified and run according to OLM is my advice. I would not care if it were DEXOS certified or not. But that is just my opinion.
 
I try to look at it in tow ways....One is that GM must have figured out all of this before putting it on sale. The OLM is nothing more than a fancy elctronic reminder. These devics have been around for at least ten years easy either in the form of a small light or mechanical ones.

Now a days even dino is refined better than ever before including synthetics. Just use a decently priced synthetic and drive until the OLM says to change it out. After all GM must have trsted this system out well.

Two... There's the politics of itall where oil itself is not as plentiful as before. Being 56 myself I/we ahd out hayday where we had plenty of low priced oil/gas and enjoyed it through out my college years. This is where the OLM comes into play where instead of motor oil being swaped out every 3K the electronics tell us when it's time. That's still OK with my cuz I pay a pretty good penny for a synthetic oil and I need it to last and get my moneys worth out of it.

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Yes, I had an OLM on my '94 STS so they've been around a while. It appears the OLM on my Malibu now is really just an electronic countdown to 5,500 miles. Most OLMs allow 8-12K on a 4 or 6 cylinder engine but apparently due to timing chain issues and/or DI issues, the new OLMs on the 3.6L VVT DI have a max of 5,500 miles. Watching the OLM percentage I notice I lose 1% every 50 miles or so, although I've only got a little over 500 miles so far, but still it seems as if the OLM will be 0% at or before 5,500 miles. On the old STS I changed the oil out early and still had a lot of percentage left by 5-6K miles. My kid's turbo 2011 Cruze appears to be headed to 8K++ mile OCIs. It doesn't seem like I'll be saving too much oil on this new car. My 2006 Malibu went further on its 4 quarts of oil than this 2012 will go on 6 quarts of oil. In the grand sceme of things, it is no big deal but I would have enjoyed 10K OCIs.
 
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