Not again! (security flaw in various Linux dist)

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I stopped contributing to the Computer Section a long time ago, because only Linux and perhaps Apple users are really allowed it seems to post in this section. Anybody who likes Windows is usually attacked.

But the two of you, who are busy attacking me and I have not even posted in the Computer Section for a very long time and this is my first post here for a long time, need to read what I said.

Since you seem to have trouble understanding what I said, I will help you.

Yes, I said that I do not like open source and Linux. I have had many experiences which have led to me be being very disillusioned from being willing to use Linux and open source. I may well have tried a Linux operating system long before the two of you.

But I am concerned for the security of ALL servers on the internet, regardless if they are Windows servers, Linux servers, or whatever. Shellshock and Heartbleed certainly have been major security issues for not just Linux servers but Unix, BSD, and perhaps Mac computers. There have been serious vulnerabilities and security issues for Windows servers also, and I have no problem with anybody bringing up such problems. So why was it a problem for me to bring up security issues involving open source software and Linux?

Because it seems to me that only people who like Linux and Open Source are encouraged to post here, I quit posting in the Computer Section. The two of you should be fully aware that I have not posted here for a long time.

So stop attacking me. You can have this section all to yourselves. But if you attack me I will notify moderators.
 
I think there would be considerably less flak if you would post about other vulnerabilities in other OSs. Instead, we we get to read walls of text saying that the open source OS (Linux variants) is junk- no matter how minor the problem. Microsoft has been making mistakes and putting out junk (at times) for years- do we hear about that? No...

There's plenty of people posting about their MS problems and plenty of help being given, so don't say that only Linux guys can post here.

I suppose ultimately, this post is in vain. The message within will go unnoticed and the next time some earth moving Linux vulnerability that allows a would-be bad guy to see what kind of MOBO you're running (but only when all the planets align AND the operator overrides all kinds of preset saftey features, throws caution to the wind and goes online) comes to light we'll hear all about it and how it would never have happened if there would have been a dedicated team building closed source, proprietary software, instead of a loose knit band of nerds scattered across the globe. After all, how much could they know and how effective could the audits that open source allows be?
 
This will probably be the very last post I make in the Computer Section. To me it seems like there is a lack of freedom of free speech here, because oftentimes when I have posted something positive about Windows I have been attacked.

When I first came here to bobistheoilguy.com the Oil Additives Section discussions were being dominated by discussion of a single engine cleaning product. I started using that product myself after I discovered it but I did post that in my opinion there should be discussion of more products. I was flat out attacked after I made that post. Attacked for encouraging more discussion about more products.

Away from work I have used mostly Apple and Windows computers. I was a heavy Apple Computer user for a long time. Several years ago I started to become disillusioned about Apple. I posted here about that and people attacked me. I like Mac OS X but I dislike that my printer currently does not print photos properly, even after a recent printer update (and photography is important to me), and because Apple drops support for software like Aperture after I bought it and spend a considerable amount of MY TIME learning how to use it. And my time is valuable to me. I have had to switch to Adobe Lightroom and learn that software. I don't have time to wait to see if Apple's new Photos program is any good. I need to get things done now.

I am not required to like open source software and Linux. And I don't like open source software and Linux for several reasons. I tried a Linux operating system a long time ago (years ago) and I did not like it. And I have been burned a few times by open source software. And I dislike being told fairy tales. I dislike the fairy tale about there being all of these eager, capable, volunteers all over the world checking open source software for any problems. They seem to have missed Shellshock that existed for a long time-Shellshock apparently for something like 20 years. I also dislike being told that any security issues for Linux servers are immediately corrected-I even provided proof that many Linux servers, even at major companies, had not received updates for Heartbleed 6 MONTHS after Heartbleed had been discovered!

And I am not trying to cover for Microsoft and I am not some sort of Microsoft fan boy. I get very angry also about some things that Microsoft does. There have been long term security holes in Microsoft software also that went uncorrected for many years. And the silly nonsense about the removal of the start menu made me very angry. I did not start using Windows 8 (and 8.1) until I found out about Start8 software. About 5 dollars worth of software that corrected for Microsoft's nonsense.

I have too many photos and other stuff on my iMac and a back up hard drive to just stop using Mac OS X. But I am using Windows more and more. And I am using Windows more and me FOR ME! I like how even after a new Windows operating system comes out my photo printer and scanner will still work. I like the nice software and hardware support that Windows supplies. The one big problem for Windows is malware and that single big issue can be addressed by good antivirus software and common sense on the part of the computer user.

I don't love Microsoft. I like Windows because it enables me to do the things I want to do. Microsoft is just a corporation and Windows is just technology. Apple is just a corporation also and Mac OS X is technology. I just want to be able to do the things I want to do on my computer. Is that really so hard to understand?
 
I as expected, you seem to be missing the point.

I'm pretty sure nobody has ever said you can't like MS products. We all have our own reasons for liking what we do.

The reason for the flak isn't because you like MS or dislike Linux, it's because you go out of your way to bash it. It'd be no different than being in the PCMO forum and bashing PYB because you had a bad experience with it 30 years ago and then you read some stuff that said it's not a good product today without any personal knowledge of the product. Would you get some grief over that? Yup, as you should.

Every time there's some "earth shattering" loophole with an open source product, you're there, Johnny on the spot waving your "open source is no good" banner. How many times have you done that with a proprietary system, no matter how big it is, or how long it has existed? The point is- if you're going to point out issues with something to warn fellow members, do it for whatever you find, not just the open source stuff, then be receptive of the ensuing conversation. I know there are some that have broken down the actual problem and what it really means for the end user (typically nothing or very little), but you have stuck to your guns and continued to beat your drum. That's the real source of the friction.

I'd also suggest you cut all the programmers some slack- both open and closed source. They have to sift through bijillions of line of code. The fact that no major, actual, physical problems occur with the open source stuff is a testament to the overall security of the programming. There are plenty of people on this board that know enough about what's going on, to know whether a "vulnerability" is truly worrisome- those are the people I choose to listen to, not the people selling something.
 
And you missed all the times I put down Microsoft. Don't believe it? Do some research. I am done here. But don't attack me thinking I will not check from time to time. Anybody who is capable of doing a little research can easily determine that up until yesterday and today I have not posted here in the Computer Section for almost two months. So I tend to get a little upset when somebody mentions me by my user name in the Computer Section and I have not even posted there for a long time. So why exactly were you and the other guy mentioning me by my user name and attacking me and I have not even posted (except for yesterday and today)? And the only reason I posted yesterday and today is because of what was said towards me.

And it is not my fault that you missed all the times I said negative stuff about Microsoft. In fact, I said some negative stuff about Microsoft removing the Start Menu in my post right above. Did you notice?
 
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Dude my post is like 7 posts up and you can't even tell I didn't mention you by name at all?

In fact, nobody has mentioned you by name. Your name was mentioned once on this entire page, way back in October.

Also, nobody is attacking you. We're disagreeing with you and feel your thoughts on open source are fundamentally flawed, but trying to claim you're being personally attacked is silly.

My comment that re-started this thread was tongue-in-cheek and should have been taken as such. There's no need to take this forum so seriously.
 
Your comment was tongue-in-cheek? Dude, if you have something to say to me just PM me. When I have not posted in the Computer Section (up until the last two days) for almost two months what makes you think I will even notice your 'tongue-in-cheek- comment? Or maybe that was the idea.

Nobody is attacking me? In this very post a guy said something to the effect that I know nothing about computers. Well, they might be surprised but I am not going to go into my qualifications. I don't tell anybody on the internet much about me. The guys doing the most boasting quite often are the ones who don't know very much in my experience. I mostly stay silent about the training and experience I have.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
This will probably be the very last post I make in the Computer Section. To me it seems like there is a lack of freedom of free speech here, because oftentimes when I have posted something positive about Windows I have been attacked.

When I first came here to bobistheoilguy.com the Oil Additives Section discussions were being dominated by discussion of a single engine cleaning product. I started using that product myself after I discovered it but I did post that in my opinion there should be discussion of more products. I was flat out attacked after I made that post. Attacked for encouraging more discussion about more products.


Sounds like you are saying there is a pattern of people here attacking you and actively suppressing your right to free speech. Or have I misinterpreted your complaint?
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Anybody who likes Windows is usually attacked.

I was busy for a few days and haven't been able to harangue you to switch to Linux, Mystic. Sorry for being remiss in my duties.
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Garak you are the one Linux guy I really like. You make a lot of sense when you post and don't seem to engage in the personal attacks.

As you know I tried a Linux operating system a long time ago. Linux does not work for me because I like to work on photos and my hardware typically is not supported by Linux operating systems.

Even Apple Mac OS X (I own an iMac) has some issues that is really starting to bug me. I tried recently to print simple photos from Aperture and Photoshop Elements in Mac OS X and I could not print decent photos. And just recently there had been an update for my printer. I had to print the photos in Windows 8.1. And Apple is dropping support for iPhoto and Aperture pretty soon. It gets frustrating. I would probably use just Apple Computers if Apple fulfilled my needs.

To me it is all just technology. I am not a Linux fan, or Apple fan, or Windows fan. I use what works for me. I have to continue to use Mac OS X because I have gigabits of photos on an external hard drive for the iMac. But Windows is what works most of the time.

Not that I can't get angry at Microsoft. Like when they decided to get rid of the Start Menu for Windows. Microsoft does goofy stuff also but I can't beat the software and hardware support. It just works.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
As you know I tried a Linux operating system a long time ago. Linux does not work for me because I like to work on photos and my hardware typically is not supported by Linux operating systems.

Then I have to remind you about Gimp. I know, that doesn't have the functionality you need.
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It works for me since I don't do much more than resize something, though!
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Mystic
As you know I tried a Linux operating system a long time ago. Linux does not work for me because I like to work on photos and my hardware typically is not supported by Linux operating systems.

Then I have to remind you about Gimp. I know, that doesn't have the functionality you need.
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It works for me since I don't do much more than resize something, though!

I don't do much more with photos than resize either.. Gimp is pretty good for what I need, but I actually prefer Kolourpaint.
 
I tried GIMP. A waste of time. I have training in Photoshop. GIMP is nothing compared to Photoshop.

I am very picky about my photographs. I will not accept trashy photographs. From my experience trying to print out photos from two applications on my iMac, even Apple does not seem to have good support. Or blame Epson. Blame whoever you want to blame but in the end I have to be able to print out my photographs. So I print them out using an application on Windows and there is no problem.

So argue about whether it is Apple's fault or Epson's fault or whatever. In the end, I had to use an application on Windows to print out the photos. In the end, Windows just works. It has the software and hardware support. Hate Microsoft, Windows and Bill Gates all you want but in the end Windows worked for me.

And remember, before you call me a Microsoft fan boy I have used Apple Computers for a very long time and I rather like Mac OS X. And I own an iMac. If I could do everything I wanted to do on an Apple Computer I would not even consider Windows.

So what is the major issue with Windows? It looks like malware is the major issue to me. A problem easy to solve with good malware protection and common sense on the part of the computer user.

A problem a lot easier to solve than lack of hardware and software support, not being to print out decent photos, and other issues. Did I mention I spent MY MONEY on Apple's Aperture and I spent MY TIME learning out to use that program and I bought books with MY MONEY to learn Aperture and soon Apple will drop support for that program?

What would be said if Microsoft announced that they were dropping support for Microsoft Office? Oh, it would be a different story then, wouldn't it?

Microsoft is not perfect and they do goofy stuff. But here there is one standard for Microsoft and Windows and another standard for everybody else.

But a lot of people here do not understand what I am talking about because all they use a computer for is the internet, Facebook, Twitter, email and maybe typing up and printing out a few simple documents. I have done wedding photography. I have done photography for the governmental agency where I used to work.

And I tried to leave this Computer Section but people keep bringing up my user name. So argue about how great various Linux operating systems are.
 
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Mystic
As you know I tried a Linux operating system a long time ago. Linux does not work for me because I like to work on photos and my hardware typically is not supported by Linux operating systems.

Then I have to remind you about Gimp. I know, that doesn't have the functionality you need.
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It works for me since I don't do much more than resize something, though!

I don't do much more with photos than resize either.. Gimp is pretty good for what I need, but I actually prefer Kolourpaint.


Darktable is the F/LOSS competitor to Lightroom for photo manipulation and management.

http://www.darktable.org/
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I tried GIMP. A waste of time. I have training in Photoshop. GIMP is nothing compared to Photoshop.

I remmeber.
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I was just giving you a hard time. Heck, for the amount of photo editing I do, just about anything works!
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I already tried Darktable.

And what did you think? How does it compare to something like Lightroom? Does it have camera/lens profiles like Lightroom does?
 
Darktable seemed very, very limited compared to Adobe Photoshop Lightroom. The latest version of Lightroom has about everything a person needs.

Some Adobe software is great. Other Adobe software has security issues such as the free Adobe Reader and I dislike how, at least in the past, unwanted software was included in software updates from Adobe if you were not careful, such as the AskToolbar. And I don't like how Adobe went subscription only with much of its software.

But Adobe makes about the best software there is for computer graphics design. I use Photoshop CS5, Lightroom 5.7 and Photoshop Elements 13.

Adobe software will work equally good on both Windows and Apple Computers. You just have to make sure that you have the right version for your operating system. But they operate exactly the same. The issue I am having is printing photos in Mac OS X.

Darkroom did not even seem to run properly on my computer and I uninstalled it not long after I had downloaded it. I don't have patience with software that seems to be buggy and runs poorly on my computer.
 
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