No Job for College Grads?

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It's a matter of luck, skills and connections.

The unemployment rate among youth who are actively seeking work (i.e. participating in the labor force) is around 48% in the good times. Labor participation rate is about 60% among youth in the good times.
 
Good for your family to find well paying jobs that they work hard for. I unfortunately deal with the other 98% of college grads. I work at a major financial bank that tends to have a fair share of overturn. 9/10 college grads we hire think they deserve 80k off the bat and a company car for doing entry level work. I am not sure what colleges are doing now but if they could let a couple PSI out of the tires they are pumping I certainly would appreciate it.
 
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
As a 25 year old who graduated a year ago, I have experience in this.

It is definitely area and field specific. Connecticut sucks for decent jobs. I'm fortunate enough to have gotten a decent job, but then again it is a contractor position with no benefits. I was lucky to know somebody who put in a good word for me. I have many hard working friends with degrees who are working part-time jobs. The wonderful state government can't balance the budget here, and for pretty much 2-3 years now there has been a hiring freeze across the state. Now they have taken back state raises and are threatening layoffs. In my dad's organization (He works in education) they have just been told they have to cut $70 million from their budget. This is in an organization that is already understaffed and full of dead weight (80 year old people who don't do anything and won't retire). With all this going on nobody is hiring, and if they are it is temporary contractors like my position.

Gone are the days where you can start off by getting your foot in the door and working your way up. Lots of the "entry level" positions around here aren't entry level at all and require 5-10 years experience for entry level pay. I was fortunate enough to gain 5 years of IT experience working in the data center at my college. I worked full-time while going to school and was able to learn a lot and become my boss's go-to guy. Before I graduated my boss wanted me to work there full-time and begged his director to open up a position since two other people were retiring the same year. The response was "It isn't in the budget", and they didn't refill the positions for those two people who retired. My old boss currently runs the data center by himself.

Sure, anybody can work at Burger King and I have a friend who is, but these places are also smart. They know that if they let you work over a certain number of hours they have to give you healthcare, so instead they give you terrible hours. This particular friend works two part-time jobs and still works less than 40 hours a week. He is the shift lead at a Dunkin Donuts as well, but that doesn't come with any increase in pay. Dunkin knows that if he quits because he doesn't get a raise, they can easily fill his spot.

There are obviously two sides to every story. I have seen the lazy, the incompetent people who apply for one job and whine because they don't get in. I also know many hard working and well-educated people who can't find jobs. My father gets e-mails and phone calls every other day from people he knows asking for a job.
So at what age do we start putting "the elderly" to "sleep"? With you around, Sparky, I'm glad I'm self employed.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
So at what age do we start putting "the elderly" to "sleep"? With you around, Sparky, I'm glad I'm self employed.


The issue isn't age, it is corruption. The state is well known for this. They have employees that have been there forever and who literally do nothing. Since they are union protected, they are hard to get rid of and fire for incompetence. The ones who want them gone just find it easier to wait until they retire instead of fighting the unions. Why retire at 65 when you can make $120k doing nothing with no stress? That is what I mean by dead weight. You won't find it very often in the corporate world.
 
There is plenty of information on those wonderful folks in Silicon Valley looking for access to more cheap foreign technical workers so they can lay off Americans, yet the companies who want the foreigners are making billions. Even what passes for Disney today would rather hire and pay foreign workers, and they make the Americans train the foreigners on the way out. There's a lesson there, I'm not sure what it is. Leftists, they want to raise the burger flipping wage but they HIRE foreigners for the "good" jobs.
 
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Originally Posted By: HerrStig
There is plenty of information on those wonderful folks in Silicon Valley looking for access to more cheap foreign technical workers so they can lay off Americans, yet the companies who want the foreigners are making billions. Even what passes for Disney today would rather hire and pay foreign workers, and they make the Americans train the foreigners on the way out. There's a lesson there, I'm not sure what it is. Leftists, they want to raise the burger flipping wage but they HIRE foreigners for the "good" jobs.


Exactly. I worked at an insurance company for a bit. They laid off all of their full-time IT staff so they could hire temporary foreign contractors to run and maintain the claims system. They had the full-time staff train the contractors before letting them go. And guess what? The system was constantly having glitches with the new contractors maintaining it.
 
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Most places I've looked at for jobs in fields I would be interested in earning a degree, want 3-5 years of experience. That's on top of the degree. I haven't seen anything even remotely entry level and I've been looking for months.


The experience thing is almost comical. I heard a radio ad the other day and it made me shake my head. It was a local trucking company that only drives within the state. They claimed that they would hire you even if you had no CDL and that they would pay for your schooling, but you needed to have 2 years experience driving trucks. How can you legally have experience driving commercial trucks without a CDL??
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Also, the experience thing shows just how bad the job market is. It's all economics. There are more people who need jobs and are willing to work for less, so employers can be picky about who they want to hire experience-wise and pay them less money.

Yes!! I've seen the exact same thing! Jobs that out right have contradictory requirements. It's bizarre.
Advertising entry level jobs that require several years of experience is so commonplace I pretty much expect it when I see an ad for a "entry level" job.
 
I think it would also help to research what the job market looks like for the field you are interested in and be honest about the employment opportunities in that field. There are a lot of jobs open for nurses and engineers but very few for art history majors or political science majors.
 
All location and profession driven at this point. Unemployment is low, and finding qualified people for my area at this point is difficult.

And it isn't a "you need x years of experience" issue. Finding fresh college grads who don't think they should earn the same salary I do with 20 years in the field is a major problem. Didn't work that way when I graduated, and it still doesn't now.

Sometimes, you have to do what needs to be done and earn that next step in salary.

In short, do your research - whats the job market (short and long term) for your desired field? Where do those jobs exist and are you willing to move there?

I'd love to live in northern Minnesota and do what I do, and make what I make. Those jobs are extremely rare, and don't pay as much. What tradeoffs are you willing to make?
 
Originally Posted By: Throt
I just graduated in December with a Bachelor of Science in Applied Health Science with a Minor in Business and a Minor in Healthcare Administration and I have had a heck of a time finding a job. I just recently accepted a position with Pilot Flying J as a Shift Supervisor. A degree is great but every company wants experience for the well paying positions. I had set my sights high when I first graduated but after 30 applications and nothing offered too me I have had to take what I can find because I can't be unemployed much longer. Even with a healthcare degree I can't find a job. It's tough out there unless if you have the right degree.


HCA has internships for assistant hospital administrators that lead into a full time position, I know a guy that interned with HCA and was offered a great job in Colorado. But you have to work your tail off and prove you can make it in the fast paced hospital environment. The guy I know is now a COO after 2 year HCA internship, he also has your exact degrees. You have to be available 24x7 when there is a problem, zero excuses for not holding the hospital hot potatoes.

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We are looking for a biomed tech for Palm Beach area and its pays $26 an hour, full benefits, $10K yearly tuition reimbursement, paid training, etc...
Must have associates degree in electronics or prior military experience in test, repair and calibration of mechanical / electrical equipment. I post these jobs on a regular basis as the come up.
 
You can have a career without a college degree, starting in the low $20/hr range in fields such as mine. We still have a fair amount of turnover and new hire young folks believe they deserve more. It's frustrating because it takes years to become skilled.

It's all about the individual. Persevere and you'll succeed.
 
I've interviewed dozens of entry level people out of school for a position in the company I work for. About half the people I interview sit there with blank expressions on their face. If you ask them why they want to work for your company many reply "I just want a job." They don't even bother to read about the company or show interest. It's pretty sad. People don't know how to market or present themselves.

If you show up for a job interview looking sharp and clean with a tie on, shake hands and make eye contact I'm 100% more likely to give you a good word to the boss who makes the ultimate hiring decision. If you do not show that you take the interview seriously how does the person hiring you to take your daily responsibilities seriously? It's a job interview!

Last person I interviewed I walked into the room and they sat there and gave me a jelly handshake from their chair only after I went up to them and initiated the hand shake. It's sad.
 
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Lack of curiosity, initiative and critical thinking amongst others. Given this, it would seem rather easy to stand out from the masses who do neither. It's rather difficult to make a deal, if you bring nothing to the table, leaving the other party to quickly understand "There's no there, there. Next!"

Some get this. Many don't. They don't understand the problem is within. Hopefully, they will pick it up but only if they have an open mind, are willing to unlearn what they have learned that's holding them back.
 
Cheers to the god-kids Pop for being smart, thrifty and navigating their way to success & prosperity. Common Sense and Smarts never go out of style.
 
The problem arises when people go to college and get worthless degrees (aka liberal arts). Imo a liberal arts degree is what you get simply because a college degree is on your "bucket list",not because you want to learn a high paying in demand skill of trade. A liberal arts degree will guarantee you a job at the mall.
 
Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
It's a matter of luck, skills and connections.


This times a million! It's all about networking.
 
Originally Posted By: GMFan
I've interviewed dozens of entry level people out of school for a position in the company I work for. About half the people I interview sit there with blank expressions on their face. If you ask them why they want to work for your company many reply "I just want a job." They don't even bother to read about the company or show interest. It's pretty sad. People don't know how to market or present themselves.

If you show up for a job interview looking sharp and clean with a tie on, shake hands and make eye contact I'm 100% more likely to give you a good word to the boss who makes the ultimate hiring decision. If you do not show that you take the interview seriously how does the person hiring you to take your daily responsibilities seriously? It's a job interview!

Last person I interviewed I walked into the room and they sat there and gave me a jelly handshake from their chair only after I went up to them and initiated the hand shake. It's sad.

This is the other thing. HR people assuming everyone will act just like they do in an interview. It can take me months to get used to a person enough to be comfortable around, be able to speak fluidly, and without hesitation. Up until then Im a nervous wreck and I know Ive lost more than a few opportunities because they expect people to act a certain way. Because Screw if they are actually qualified right! Rather hire the smooth talker that knows [censored] all.
 
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
HR people assuming everyone will act just like they do in an interview.


It's pretty simple. Start with trying to match their speech rate, practice good manners and some of the tips above. Otherwise you might be viewed as a mime which to many is annoying.
 
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