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Does it still come with flower pot built in?
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and yes, i'd also say it's a 'chick car', but latest gen. looks less chick-y.

-btw, not sure if electrical gremlins are gone on VWs; a co-worker has one (prev. gen), and has a LOT of complaints about it, and makes pretty regular trips to dealer; she's not very apt at describing specific problems with the car, but almost 90% of the time when she describes a problem, it seems to be electrical related.
 
I haven't had any electrical issue whatsoever, which is surprising because I have the VW touch screen head unit and I expected at least some lag or not responding to inputs like Ford Touch system, but none so far. Some people complain about rattles, but I've been pretty lucky to have none. Car has about 48K miles on it. There are features on the car that I wouldn't have thought I would care about so much but now that I have them I can't live without them. One touch windows for all 2 windows (mines a 2 door), comfort close & open through the key fob (windows ands sunroof closes/opens from key fob). Great feature to air out a car before you get in it on a hot summer day or great when you leave your sunroof open and it begins to rain.

Incredible fuel economy, I get 28 mpg lifetime with about 10-15% highway driving. Lots of torque down low, which would also apply to the 1.8t you would get in the new Beetle.

There are known problems with my generation of the GTI such as: high pressure fuel pump, water pump, injectors (warrantied now to 10 yr/120k miles), intake manifold (warrantied now to 10yr/120k miles and no longer an issue after 2012). The high pressure fuel pump is very rare, the only thing I'm afraid of is the water pump as they have a hard time sourcing a good one. They even switched suppliers(Bosch to Centennial) and I think they might be asking for reimbursement from Bosch. Some people have multiple replacements before 25K miles. Mine is original and doesn't have any of the tell tale signs (low coolant, high pitched noise).

There are problems with any car, the question you have to ask yourself are you willing to trade some reliability issues for a great driving car or not.
 
Mine has been so so. Electrical gremlins are starting to show up--at 200k the intake flap went, followed 20k later by the same part ($500 each!). Right now an airbag light is on, and I lost one fan speed on the hvac. Did an O2 sensor, but that likely died when the turbo died (from oil hitting the heater). Oh and one cooling fan is frozen. Lots of headlights. But no hard to track down stuff, no weird codes.

But an 04 is hardly something to gauge the new ones by.
 
Well I'll do what supton did, and review a 2004 as well, I think it could be useful.

My aunt has the 2013 TDI Beetle, but also has a 2004 TDI Beetle.

This is the only things that has ever gone wrong in the past 157k miles on the 2004:
Check engine light for thermostat and coolant temperature sensor, new ones put in solved that.
Some airbag/ seat belt sensor making the airbag light turn on
High pressure hose on A/C leak out
Control arm bushings last year
Multiple CV boots toast (one now as well)
I believe has original brake pads up front with plenty of pad left
Rear pads lasted until 105k miles when the dealer recommended it, they probably could have gone longer. It downshift a lot for you, and it is an automatic
Alternator died
Starter died
Eats a battery religously at 1.5-2 years
Washer fluid bottle has a huge leak since around 40k miles (hilarious when they fill it at the dealer for an oil change)
DSG transmission has notorious flywheel rattle, needs new flywheel (not cheap)
The "Large fan" quit working

As supton said, has had several headlight bulbs

Other than that it has been a great car, I don't think the above is too bad. Go for it!
 
Originally Posted By: adolan21

There are problems with any car, the question you have to ask yourself are you willing to trade some reliability issues for a great driving car or not.


I agree there a problems with any brand of car. I might be different than a lot of folks here. I would not knowingly trade off reliability for anything. While I don't want a bicycle ride in any vehicle I'm driving, I don't it need it to be the most comfortable, luxurious vehicle on the road. My primary goal in a vehicle is to get from point A to point B, not to live in it. And it needs to be cost effective maintenance wise. Any additional comfort above those requirements is an appreciated extra. Which is why I started this thread asking people who know, or own, VW's what their experiences were in reliability and maintenance.
 
Maintenance is not much more than a Japanese car. Free maintenance for the first 2 years, after that oil filter is top mounted and the oil can be had for ~$25 for 5 quarts at Walmart. Oil filter is more expensive than a Japanese car at around $10-$12. I haven't had to do brakes or anything else so I wouldn't really know how much that would be. My car is a DSG and that is pricey at $280 every 40k miles. The Beetle doesn't have a DSG, if I remember correctly, so I imagine the fluid changes are much cheaper. The motor in the Beetle is completely new so there isn't much data out there yet. Maybe they got the high pressure fuel pump & water pump issues resolved. Those items would pretty much be the only things that would strand you.
 
Originally Posted By: silverrat
I find it hard to believe that a 2004 with 157k miles is on original brake pads


It's possible.

My '04 goes like this: I drove >32kmiles/year initially, tapering down to probably 25k last year. Something like that. It took me but 3 years to hit 100k, and I want to say another 3 to hit 200k, and the last 100k to the 300k mark is dragging out, as I keep finding reason after reason to drive my truck instead--I think this last year has been but 15k. So it hardly sat.

Prior to 100k it had the tandem pump recall and the EGR cooler recall. The EGR was done twice inside of a month, as the first time was done poorly (ever see an intake manifold all but fall off? yeah that bad!).

-every 10k was oil&filter, for around $50, as I just bought online
-every 20k was fuel filter, $27 or so, but these days I do it every 40k
-every 40k was a set of tires. Unless if it was 30k, on a couple of sets. $330 to $450 each, IIRC.
-headlight bulbs every year
-I suspect a windshield every other year. I can recall three replacements off the top of my head. $220 each time?

-99k: first timing belt job
-105k: front wheel bearings. The first actual repair, and on my dime. Barely outside of the three year mark! Also changed lower control arm bushings to the solid Audi TT bushings? or maybe I had the LCA's done at...
133k: replaced struts/shocks with Koni Red's
-168k: rear brake pads finally wore to the rivets, did pads and rotors. Wound up having to have the rear calipers replaced also at...
-170k: more EGR work done (this is when the botched dealership work was found), along with rear calipers
-175k: front brake pad fell off. Rust. Other three pads found to have >50% of material left. Replaced pads and rotors
-180k: I noticed what might have been a coolant leak, possibly from the water pump. Found out that timing belt jobs were derated to 80k or 90k, so, well timed for its second timing belt.
-200k: intake flap died
-220k: intake flap died. $500 each time. Ouch.
-249k: flywheel making noise, had clutch replaced. Massive amounts of friction material left, but I had it replaced anyhow
-251k: turbo blew. First tow of its life, off the highway (but it was off of I89).
-255k: electric lift pump died. One parking brake cable replaced around this time too. Second tow, was only a couple of months after the first.
-260k: front struts replaced
-293k: I did all pads and rotors, and rear calipers (again!), after I found evidence of pad separation on at least two pads. I've been driving harder, so now the front and rear wear at similar rates; all pads had probably 40% material left.

Right now, at 295k, it has a torn CV boot (not making noise, caught early), bad strut mounts and every rubber bushing is likely bad, badly rusted front fenders/driver's door, while the hood and hatch aren't too bad (if you ignore the holes I fixed in the hatch), lots of rattles, bad cooling fan, missing an HVAC fan speed, pitted windshield and bald tires... and I think it might have a camshaft that is just starting to go.

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I keep alternating between "it did a good job" and "it's a junk car, look at all the work it needed!" Structurally there is little rust where it counts -- BUT -- I have rust forming where the rubber door seals hit the body. I've never seen that before. Is the body starting to settle now? Is it just from dirt/rocks? I dunno.

Lifetime mpg is over 46mpg. At the very least fuel savings paid for repairs, over a 30mpg gasser.
 
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Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: silverrat
I find it hard to believe that a 2004 with 157k miles is on original brake pads


It's possible.

My '04 goes like this: I drove >32kmiles/year initially, tapering down to probably 25k last year. Something like that. It took me but 3 years to hit 100k, and I want to say another 3 to hit 200k, and the last 100k to the 300k mark is dragging out, as I keep finding reason after reason to drive my truck instead--I think this last year has been but 15k. So it hardly sat.

Prior to 100k it had the tandem pump recall and the EGR cooler recall. The EGR was done twice inside of a month, as the first time was done poorly (ever see an intake manifold all but fall off? yeah that bad!).

-every 10k was oil&filter, for around $50, as I just bought online
-every 20k was fuel filter, $27 or so, but these days I do it every 40k
-every 40k was a set of tires. Unless if it was 30k, on a couple of sets. $330 to $450 each, IIRC.
-headlight bulbs every year
-I suspect a windshield every other year. I can recall three replacements off the top of my head. $220 each time?

-99k: first timing belt job
-105k: front wheel bearings. The first actual repair, and on my dime. Barely outside of the three year mark! Also changed lower control arm bushings to the solid Audi TT bushings? or maybe I had the LCA's done at...
133k: replaced struts/shocks with Koni Red's
-168k: rear brake pads finally wore to the rivets, did pads and rotors. Wound up having to have the rear calipers replaced also at...
-170k: more EGR work done (this is when the botched dealership work was found), along with rear calipers
-175k: front brake pad fell off. Rust. Other three pads found to have >50% of material left. Replaced pads and rotors
-180k: I noticed what might have been a coolant leak, possibly from the water pump. Found out that timing belt jobs were derated to 80k or 90k, so, well timed for its second timing belt.
-200k: intake flap died
-220k: intake flap died. $500 each time. Ouch.
-249k: flywheel making noise, had clutch replaced. Massive amounts of friction material left, but I had it replaced anyhow
-251k: turbo blew. First tow of its life, off the highway (but it was off of I89).
-255k: electric lift pump died. One parking brake cable replaced around this time too. Second tow, was only a couple of months after the first.
-260k: front struts replaced
-293k: I did all pads and rotors, and rear calipers (again!), after I found evidence of pad separation on at least two pads. I've been driving harder, so now the front and rear wear at similar rates; all pads had probably 40% material left.

Right now, at 295k, it has a torn CV boot (not making noise, caught early), bad strut mounts and every rubber bushing is likely bad, badly rusted front fenders/driver's door, while the hood and hatch aren't too bad (if you ignore the holes I fixed in the hatch), lots of rattles, bad cooling fan, missing an HVAC fan speed, pitted windshield and bald tires... and I think it might have a camshaft that is just starting to go.

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I keep alternating between "it did a good job" and "it's a junk car, look at all the work it needed!" Structurally there is little rust where it counts -- BUT -- I have rust forming where the rubber door seals hit the body. I've never seen that before. Is the body starting to settle now? Is it just from dirt/rocks? I dunno.

Lifetime mpg is over 46mpg. At the very least fuel savings paid for repairs, over a 30mpg gasser.


Interesting post. Thanks for taking the time. I have several questions/observations. Oil, fuel filters, brakes, tires, timing belts are wear items and I understand the need for replacement. Why three windshields? Road damage or faulty windshields? Your "botched dealership" comment kind of re-enforces my perception of less than stellar dealership competence and workmanship (from all info I've read as I have no first hand experience). Starting at the 180K mark with the water pump, flywheel and turbo, would this be considered normal for this mileage? While I've replaced water pumps, I've never had to replace a flywheel and I've never owned a turbo. Looking at your list I'm thinking that your problems/repairs might not be that bad overall given your total mileage. Am I off base here? Thanks again for the time it took to post your experiences.
 
Four bad windshields technically, although this one has not cracked yet. The windshield is rather soft; I've scratched with a plastic ice scraper. Very soft. Grains of sand seem capable of leaving a pit, which is my main complaint at the moment: hard to see at dawn and dusk if you drive into the sun. And of course two or three large chips from actual rocks, which have not cracked. Yet.

Clutch: VW decided, for some reason known to themselves, to make a better mousetrap. They added an extra weight ("mass") to the flyweel, held in by springs somehow, to help dampen vibrations. The springs are known to go bad. The mass then vibrates around, and eventually shears whatever holds it in place. Which can break the transmission, or jam the clutch engaged (heard of both failure modes). When I heard it rattle, I had it replaced proactively.

Waterpump: I have mine replaced at each timing belt job, so the leak was something of a fluke. Bad seal? Dunno. Odd to have it leak though, it clearly wasn't that old.
 
Originally Posted By: supton
But an 04 is hardly something to gauge the new ones by.


Are you kidding? I see statements made all the time here that go like this:

"Well, all I can tell you is my parents' aunt's baby sister had a 1996 [insert brand here] and it was a piece of junk. Always at the dealer. Seat cloth torn. Tires worn out. Yep, [insert brand here]'s quality has really been slipping lately..."
 
Exactly Hokiefyd. I'd be more concerned w/whom does the follow-up service, be it the dealer or ind. garage. If you like the car, I'd get it. I have a Golf w/the 2.5L and so far (knock on wood) no issues whatsoever. Great car!
 
Had a morbid thought: technically my VW has been the most reliable vehicle I've owned!

How so? It's the only one to have done 100kmiles / 3 years w/o a repair!

Seriously. My '00 Saturn need some a/c work before 100k, twice I think, and it warped three (?) sets of rotors. My Tundra in the 12k I've owned it / 1 year so far has needed the front diff rebuilt; that was $50 out of my pocket. The Camry needed the parking brake handle tightened down (free) around 30k; it also needed a brake pad at 50k (wound up doing all four, forgot price).

[Off-hand I don't recall what my wife's Civic needed but I'm know it did need a/c every other year. It was also her car not mine, so it doesn't count.
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The Jetta did 3 years and 100k. Hard to think a VW would beat Toyota's...

[Ok, the Jetta had a botched recall which might count as a repair, but you get the idea. Barring recalls I've had less issues.]
 
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Originally Posted By: silverrat
I find it hard to believe that a 2004 with 157k miles is on original brake pads
My mom's 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee has similar miles, and the front brake pads have never been replaced.

However, the rear brake pads were replaced many miles ago.
 
On the windsheild note, my Civic is on its 7th in its life due to the angle of the hood and glass. Previous owner did a lot of highway and was a military pilot so maybe he was picky about stone chips.
 
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I can add to this discussion as well. My 99 Beetle TDI just flipped 221k, I am the second owner and know its full service history since new because my friend was the original owner. The car really hasn't been that problematic in its lifetime. It had all of the maintenance done strictly by the book as recommended. Aside from a few sets of tires over the years and some oil changes every 10k it hasn't asked for much else. Window regulators have been replaced once each (very common issues on the 98-2000's vws). Front brake pads and rotors replaced at 160k, rear pads and rotors at 201k, turbo at 168k, serp belt tensioner at 201k. Original calipers still going just fine. Original clutch,struts,alternator,cooling fans,radiator and hoses,ps pump and hoses all still good on the car at its age/mileage.Survived two kids learning to drive a stick shift. Can't really complain, it hasn't asked for much. I bought it for $600 when it needed the turbo replaced.
Have a friend that has a Jetta, not sure of the exact year but it has to be around an 07-08 2.5 5cyl with a 5 speed. She bought it new and also does everything exactly by the book with recommended oil and fluids. Only problem she has had with it was an air bag issue repaired by the dealer at her cost (already out of warranty) but it turned out later that vw was issuing a recall and gave her the money back in full. Aside from basic maintenance items such as tires, fluids , belts , brakes she has never had to do anything else in it. Last time I saw the car it was at over 230k. These cars like to be taken care of by the book and with the fluids they spec. They simply do not do well with people who think it is fine to change with whatever oil every 5 years.
My step father has an 09 Jetta Sportwagen TDI and hasn't had any issues with it either (all NYC city miles). It was one of the absolute first ones because it was ordered and he waited 6 months for it to arrive and those tend to be more problematic.
I love the way these cars drive and with my tdi's you simply can not beat the fuel economy (just under 50 MPG regularly at 70+ MPH). Not everyone seems to like the VWs but there are many people who have had good experiences with them and wouldn't consider anything else.
 
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