I just recently got a 1996 Integra GS-R a little over a month ago. I was wondering when I should change the timing belt and water pump? I hear that it should be changed every 90,000miles (144,000kms) I'm not at 220,000kms so I'm not sure if I need to change or not. I read somewhere I should change it at 70,000 miles (120,000kms) if I'm driving it under heavy conditions. So should I be changing it at 288,000kms or 240,000kms? And if I do change the belt I should change the water pump as well?
new timing belt?
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is it an interference engine? do you have reliable info of when the belt was changed last?
The Gates brochure lists it as an interference engine. It's not always accurate about that, but most Hondas are interference designs so I believe it. If you have no verification of when it was done last, I'd do it soon. It is possible it has never been done and is ready to go any time. I probably wouldn't do the water pump if the coolant has been maintained well, but many people do it at every timing belt change regardless and it's not a bad idea.
Here's the Gates brochure:
http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=2256&location_id=3487
Here's the Gates brochure:
http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=2256&location_id=3487
Sure - change them both now, on your time schedule.
So what if they can go 10-20 thou or more? You just bought the car and you will like having everything right with no worries in those departments.
So what if they can go 10-20 thou or more? You just bought the car and you will like having everything right with no worries in those departments.
I own an Integra, and TB is changed at 90k severe and 105k normal schedule. You should change the water pump every time because they do not last 180k and if it leaks, you have to redo the TB and pay for labor twice.
It is an interference engine.
It is an interference engine.
I wouldn't wait, your car is 12 years old and its cheap insurance to change it now.......or you can wait and hope it doesn't break.
In fleet service we've seen very low mileage cars break a timing belt at six to seven years with 20-30k miles. I'd change it no matter what record there were or what a mechanic says. Pop that belt and you will gain a much better idea about the risk.
hanks for the advice. Seems like this going to cost me a lot of money. I'm kind of on a tight budget right now too.
How much should I expect to pay? parts and labour
I was wondering if it would be cheaper if I got the parts myself and get it installed by a mechanic?
How much should I expect to pay? parts and labour
I was wondering if it would be cheaper if I got the parts myself and get it installed by a mechanic?
The parts are dirt cheap......its the Labor that gets expensive. My Honda dealership charged $385 for T-belt, W pump and all 3 drive belts installed.
Its better you buy the parts and have your mechanic change it.
Its better you buy the parts and have your mechanic change it.
Dont forget to buy a tensioner. Sometimes you may need a crank and cam seal too. On many honda's theres apparently a TSB to change the tensioner.
I will not do a timing belt job unless I change the tensioner (idler if applicable) on majority of all makes. Especially a honda.
also buy a valve cover gasket and 4 tube seals. If you dont you'll be the typical owner of a oil leaking honda/acura engine. Alot of hackers use alot of silicon trying to put the valve cover back on and pray the oil doesn't fill the spark plug "access hole"
drive belts are a must because the old ones will more than likely squeel after they've been disturbed.
I'll charge a ballpark of 700bucks incl. taxes (cdn). I will only use a japanese made water pump and japan/korean made tensioner/idler pulley. Gaskets are also japan made. I will never use any other water pump for a honda. As for timing belts I'll use pretty much anything because they just dont fail due to proper tension and installation.
Do it right or pay twice
I will not do a timing belt job unless I change the tensioner (idler if applicable) on majority of all makes. Especially a honda.
also buy a valve cover gasket and 4 tube seals. If you dont you'll be the typical owner of a oil leaking honda/acura engine. Alot of hackers use alot of silicon trying to put the valve cover back on and pray the oil doesn't fill the spark plug "access hole"
drive belts are a must because the old ones will more than likely squeel after they've been disturbed.
I'll charge a ballpark of 700bucks incl. taxes (cdn). I will only use a japanese made water pump and japan/korean made tensioner/idler pulley. Gaskets are also japan made. I will never use any other water pump for a honda. As for timing belts I'll use pretty much anything because they just dont fail due to proper tension and installation.
Do it right or pay twice
How bad is the engine to work on? The TB on my 88 528e can be swapped out in an afternoon in my drive way. I've heard of experienced guys doing it in under an hour. Belt and tensioner is a 30$ kit from world parts franchisees
Putting in a Tbelt is one thing but to do it properly without "skipping a tooth" and to have proper tension is another.
I've baby sat so many shadey tree mechanics due to messing up cam/crank relationship. People come to me and say they have elevated HC numbers on the emissions tests. Many times backyard novices will align things impropely and have the timing belt on too tight (kills bearings on TB driven water pumps) or too loose and the belt jumps.
I've baby sat so many shadey tree mechanics due to messing up cam/crank relationship. People come to me and say they have elevated HC numbers on the emissions tests. Many times backyard novices will align things impropely and have the timing belt on too tight (kills bearings on TB driven water pumps) or too loose and the belt jumps.
Where should I get all these parts? Should I get OEM or aftermarket parts? so far I have a list of things to change
Timing Belt
Water Pump
Tensioner Pulley
Spring
Front Camshaft Oil Seals
Oil Pump Seal
Thermostat
Radiator cap
Spark Plugs
Distributor cap
Rotors
Fuel Filter
What do you guys think? Anything else I should change? Anyone know where I can get all these parts?
Timing Belt
Water Pump
Tensioner Pulley
Spring
Front Camshaft Oil Seals
Oil Pump Seal
Thermostat
Radiator cap
Spark Plugs
Distributor cap
Rotors
Fuel Filter
What do you guys think? Anything else I should change? Anyone know where I can get all these parts?
look and see what a timing belt kit will include. many times they include the tensioner and idler. i tend to stay OEM on a lot of timing and ignition components. or else i use OEM suppliers.
I would use OEM for most of the parts except maybe the fuel filter, spark plugs, and radiator cap.
Honda OEM list of websites
Honda OEM list of websites
I've done 4 TB R+Rs so far on my various 528es. If you follow the directions in the Bentley manual, it is pretty idiot proof. The final check is to use a wrench to spin the crank over 2 revolutions. If the timing marks line up afterward, it's good.
I'm thinking I can change the radiator cap, rotors, spark plugs, plug wires, and oil filter myself. I just want to know what parts I should tell the mechanic to change also with the timing belt while his in there. The other components that I can change myself I'll change later unless I get a good price on the labour.
Can anyone link me to a website so I can order these parts online for cheaper that ships to Canada as well. It's going to be a lot more expensive if I get these parts at the dealer isn't it?
Can anyone link me to a website so I can order these parts online for cheaper that ships to Canada as well. It's going to be a lot more expensive if I get these parts at the dealer isn't it?
The website list Honda parts. Although Honda and Acura are the same company should I be using the same parts as the Civic or Accord?
Buying parts and handing them to a mechanic is like buying a steak and going to a restaurant.
It's part of their profit picture.
You'll get no warrantee with your own parts from them, either.
It's part of their profit picture.
You'll get no warrantee with your own parts from them, either.
Many of those also sell Acura parts.
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