New Orleans water crisis

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Any BITOG members living down in the Big Easy? I've been reading stories about risk of saltwater reaching the municipal water intakes for the city and how the Army Corps of Engineers is doing everything* they can to not make that happen.

*Sending via barge and pumping 15 million (30 million is the goal) gallons of freshwater per day into the Mississippi River at the intake ports.
 
I don't know the specifics here, but in many cases, mismanagement and incapable "maintenance engineers" are responsible for the failure of municipal water systems. They are happy to charge a fortune for water, and at times, the money simply evaporates into the general fund.
 
I don't know the specifics here, but in many cases, mismanagement and incapable "maintenance engineers" are responsible for the failure of municipal water systems. They are happy to charge a fortune for water, and at times, the money simply evaporates into the general fund.

They're supposed to have an "enterprise fund" for water/sewer operations, but the problem I heard about is that public works employees getting paid out of the enterprise fund were doing things like mowing the medians and building maintenance, which is very clearly not water/sewer work. The solution there was to allocate the funding to match the hours the employee was actually working on water/sewer.

I also heard about things like using tap fees (thousands of dollars a developer has to pay to connect to the water/sewer system, charged per house) to purchase water, instead of using tap fees for capital projects to upgrade or improve the water/sewer system.

Another thing I heard about is lack of proactive maintenance--for years they weren't looking for leaks, new public works director finds a significant amount of "unaccounted for water" (water billed to the city by it's supplier that isn't billed to customers), has the water/sewer people start looking for leaks, and they find a leak under pavement with roots growing into it where the nearest vegetation is 30 feet away. (How long, I wonder, does it take roots to grow 30 feet?). What the old public works director was doing is anyone's guess, but it's easy to figure out what they weren't doing....
 
One could point to drought conditions on the Mississippi river that are creating the conditions the allow saltwater to intrude further north on the Mississippi (the actual cause of this issue) before letting loose the diatribe on public services, but I digress.

All part of the balance of freshwater vs saltwater where the two meet - and the laws of physics and chemistry apply.
 
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the diatribe on public services

Nothing I stated here is a diatribe on public services, but a statement of facts about the operation of the water/sewer utility in a city I used to live in. It was mismanaged. I knew the public works director there (who did quite a bit to correct it) very well, he was a friend of mine up until his passing (Rip, Jay Johnson).
 
And that relates to salt water intrusion in New Orleans and vicinity in which manner?

It was a reply to a comment about the operation and management of municipal water systems. I'm not sure who died and appointed you the thread police.

You seem awfully sensitive to ANY criticism of local/state government operation as far as public works activities go. A recurring pattern I've noticed.
 
I think the point was that the water department didn't rapidly adapt to the fact that fresh water has become scarce. When they had access to a whole river full of fresh water it wasn't so necessary to find leaks or allocate funds to buy water.
 
I don't know the specifics here, but in many cases, mismanagement and incapable "maintenance engineers" are responsible for the failure of municipal water systems. They are happy to charge a fortune for water, and at times, the money simply evaporates into the general fund.

Drought in the Midwest has reduced the flow of the Mississippi which allows saltwater to flow up river.
 
The Mississippi River in New Orleans is currently at its second lowest flow in recorded history. The previous low was in 1988, at a flow of about 120,000 cfs. It is currently at about 130,000 cfs. In 1988, the salt water wedge made it to the outskirts of New Orleans, but it was of a relatively short duration - about 5 days. Current projects suggest this intrusion may last more like 90 days.

In order to prevent the inflow of salt water, the river needs to be flowing at roughly double its current flow in order to push back against the salt water wedge. To make that happen, the Mississippi River basin as a whole needs about 10" of rain to fall over the entire basin in short order. Thus the predictions of a longer lasting wedge.

Salt water can intrude as the bed of the Mississippi River is at Sea Level around Vicksburg Mississippi (yes, that far up river) - meaning it takes the force of the fresh water flowing to keep it from intruding to that point. To put it in perspective - the elevation of New Orleans is typically stated as about 6 or 7 feet above sea level. The depth of the river there is approximately 200 feet under normal flow conditions.

There are 4 points in past history where the Corps of Engineers has built a sill to attempt to slow down the saltwater wedge intrusion, and they did so this year in July in attempt to slow down the progress of the wedge, so its not correct to say that nothing has been done to slow down or otherwise prepare for the situation at hand. They are working to raise it another 25 feet, but that will only buy days - not weeks. Reality is the drought conditions causing low flows in the river have not abated and in fact increased in severity.

If interested in monitoring the location of the intrusion, the Corps maintains that information:

The estimated cost of bringing in replacement water via pipeline from a point further upriver comes in at around $250 million.
 
Drought in the Midwest has reduced the flow of the Mississippi which allows saltwater to flow up river.


I saw that phenomenon in the summer of 2002 when in my area we were down almost 12-14 inches of precipitation for the previous year, The Dragon Run which flows into and becomes the Piankatank River where I used to live the water was freshwater typically. Well that summer of 2002 it was indeed salty to the taste. The saltwater intrusion was quite severe sad that was really close to where the river narrowed quickly and becomes the Dragon Rin.
 
Drought in the Midwest has reduced the flow of the Mississippi which allows saltwater to flow up river.


While I agree that is true here. However… Two things can be true at the same exact time too.

That fact a long term drought has happened gives people a decent amount of time to react and handle a circumstance like this.

I remember a very, very bad long term drought that hit in the Georgia and Tennessee area… Where the water supplies were getting quite low for Atlanta.

That severe drought was brought to a relatively quick end by a very busy subtropical jet that winter into the following spring.

Same weather circumstances ended the worst drought my area had seen in the winter and spring of 2002-03.
 
I grew up in Slidell and lived in a subdivision that was formerly a swamp. My house had a collective artesian well for several houses. I recall my parents saying it went down a thousand feet. I guess this might have something to do with it.

I am curious why they are not considering salt removal systems. I listened to a NYT podcast recently that talked about the very serious effort by Arizona to build a plant in Mexico and a 250 mile pipeline.

New Orleans would only need to build a plant in Metarie and scoop it from Lake Pontchartrain.
 
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