New Experience - Crown Vic - Breaks Itself!

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The only thing I dislike about the Vic is the cup holder..I broke mine by putting a bottle of water in it..Pompano Ford and Metro Ford told me 300 bucks plus 60 bucks to install a new unit as there is no other way to fix it.

One of guys on CVN got me cup holder out of a wrecked Police Interceptor for 15 bucks..Same color.

Sorry to hear about the accident.
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
I have an '04 Mercury Grand Marquis that has the same exact interior dimensions. I must say that in order for you to have busted the cup holder you must REALLY have some seriously short legs. My girlfriend is a short lady (not much over 5 feet) and even she has never hit the cup holder when moving the seat forward. Very odd. I'm going to go out into the garage today and see if I can repeat what you did (minus the actual damage of course).


Andrew: As I noted earlier, I stand six-ft overall, but I do have an "odd layout" -- very long trunk, and yes, short legs. When I came through here (Pensacola) in the early 80s for flight school, I almost got disqualified -- for sitting height of all things! Our ejection seats are only designed to "accomodate" a certain range of sizes. Beyond that, although it's probably not a great idea in this age of air-bags, I do like to be relatively close up to the wheel and dash. These two factors are why the seat is where it is.

Another side tangent (from me, go figure...): my wife is almost as tall as I am, maybe 1/2 inch shorter, but has a totally different build -- her legs are approximately two thousand miles long. It's funny watching her try to get into her Avalon after I've driven it. If I forget to reposition the seat (which she deems about as offensive as failing to lower a toilet seat), she literally can not get into the car without resetting the seat first.
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Ok....just got back from the garage and tried to duplicate the cup holder damage. My seat in my Grand Marquis is exactly like the one you described in the rental Crown Vic. I moved my seat ALL the way forward with the cup holder fully extended and the seat didn't even touch the holder....it went underneath it. The only way to duplicate what happened to you was to TILT the seat WAY back and also RAISE it to it's highest level using the toggle switches....and then move it ALL the way forward. And then, yes, you can damage the cup holder in the fully forward position.
Not trying to be a jerk or anything but breaking the cup holder requires a HIGHLY exaggerated and unusual seating position not normally utilized. It requires the user to adjust the seat in a fashion not entirely intended. Tilting it WAY back that way actually increases foot to pedal distance anyway and is sort of....well....strange. Especially when after tilting it back so far you then moved the seat seat all the way forward (not needed for anybody really (excluding a person with HIGHLY short legs...such as a dwarf). It's almost as though you TRIED to break the cup holder (I know you did not....but after trying to duplicate it myself that conclusion is right there in front of my face).
 
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Originally Posted By: brianl703
I think they make pedal extensions for that car...

Yes they do....at least on my model they do.
 
Originally Posted By: brianl703
So the complaint here is that the car isn't idiot-proof?


Let's not take this too seriously, now. That was not the spirit in which I made the post. No car is idiot-proof. No machine made by humans ever will be. I'm just somewhat surprised by this otherwise-very-nice car's designed-in ability to hurt itself.
 
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
I'm just somewhat surprised by this otherwise-very-nice car's designed-in ability to hurt itself.


Hmm. Find a brick wall. Aim the car at it. Push the gas pedal to the floor.

Did the car just hurt itself?
 
ekpolk....just for the record here I want you to know that I am in no way saying that you are an idiot or purposely disparaged the Crown Vic. I think you were just being honest...as am I. Next time you move the seat so far forward on that vehicle just be sure it's not tilted all the way back and/or not raised to its highest position. I know that if you do that it can't hit the cup holder. It is however not designed as well as it could be.
 
Originally Posted By: brianl703
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
I'm just somewhat surprised by this otherwise-very-nice car's designed-in ability to hurt itself.

Hmm. Find a brick wall. Aim the car at it. Push the gas pedal to the floor.

Did the car just hurt itself?

Sorry, but that's just a silly comparison. The best designed car in the world and the worst will produce the same outcome when crashed into a solid object. Driver-induced destruction.

One more time, very slowly now, I offered this observation about the CV's cup holder, in a mostly humorous sense. That said, I'm 50 years old, and I've never seen a situation in which two parts of one car, when operated as they are designed to operate, can destroy one another. Is this a huge deal? Heck no. But it is odd, at least to me. That's all I'm saying.

You're taking this waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
 
Having worked in business that designs safety interlocks for industrial equipment, I learned it is impossible to make anything idiot proof - because they are so darned ingenious.
 
Some things tend to be unavoidable. Like if you raise your wipers to the raised position to wash the car, then forget to lower them before opening your hood to wash the engine bay, you'll get a black paint scratch on the rear edge of the hood. Don't ask how I know that!

This seems to be one of those situations. Maybe Ford even knows about it, but in the spirit of approving the layout without a $500,000 redesign to accomodate the 0.01% of drivers that might actually use that seating position, they acknowledged it and passed it along. I'd have probably made the same decision.

And I do think folks are taking this way too seriously. I think ekpolk posted it as more of a "huh, that's funny" than anything else.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Some things tend to be unavoidable. Like if you raise your wipers to the raised position to wash the car, then forget to lower them before opening your hood to wash the engine bay, you'll get a black paint scratch on the rear edge of the hood. Don't ask how I know that!

This seems to be one of those situations. Maybe Ford even knows about it, but in the spirit of approving the layout without a $500,000 redesign to accomodate the 0.01% of drivers that might actually use that seating position, they acknowledged it and passed it along. I'd have probably made the same decision.

And I do think folks are taking this way too seriously. I think ekpolk posted it as more of a "huh, that's funny" than anything else.


Thank you Jason, you nailed it. I'm not an engineer, but I do frequently notice little things that shouldn't be in all the mechanical things I deal with every day (maybe I should have been an engineer...). Incidentally, the Camry is not immune either. My favorite on that car is the position of the "ECO" button for the climate control. When activated, it puts the AC into a "degraded" mode that supposedly uses less juice (but being an auto AC system, you'd think the computer will fight to achieve the set temp no matter what). Did they put this button on the climate control panel? Nope. They hid it, invisibly on that panel in front of your left knee!!! Easily the dumbest thing in the car. And it's right next to the identically sized button that opens the fuel filler panel. Y'all know what mistake I've made multiple times... But hey, at least opening your gas flap while driving is only an annoyance (albeit a major one...).
 
I was just reading through the crazy interlocks dodge put in their minivans so the sliding rear van door wouldn't smash the pop out rear window, or the fuel filler door!

You'd think Ford would have cammed their sliders somehow so sliding the seat forward would have tripped a button to de-tilt the seat or do whatever was needed to avoid the catastrophe. (Or make the cupholder fold away.)
 
It seems to me that BMW's can do this too, at least the ones that have the cupholder that mounts on the side of the console on the passenger side.
 
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
But it is odd, at least to me. That's all I'm saying.

You're taking this waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.


What's odd to me is that someone could move a power seat forward and apparently not realize that it is about to collide with something in the way.

As far as taking this "waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously", I don't know, had this happened to me I would have thought to myself "I should really be more careful next time" and that would have been the end of it. No post on BITOG.

On the other hand, maybe Ford needs to issue a TSB for this.
 
Originally Posted By: brianl703
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
But it is odd, at least to me. That's all I'm saying.

You're taking this waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.


What's odd to me is that someone could move a power seat forward and apparently not realize that it is about to collide with something in the way.

As far as taking this "waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously", I don't know, had this happened to me I would have thought to myself "I should really be more careful next time" and that would have been the end of it. No post on BITOG.



Brian:

Look, I have no particular desire to lock horns with you; you've been a long-time valuable participant here. And this comment has ZERO to do with the "A" next to my name -- if you catch my drift. I would just ask you to read my previous postings carefully. To summarize, I watched with some astonishment as the impingement started, but aborted seat movement before any heavy damage was done. I just couldn't believe it got that far in the first place. OK?
 
Originally Posted By: brianl703
..."I should really be more careful next time" and that would have been the end of it. No post on BITOG.



As for this part, I remain in disagreement. The engineers who designed this thing, an otherwise nice car, should not have designed in the ability for one part, used as designed, to damage another part that is being used as designed. I'm sorry, but that's just not right.
 
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
I just couldn't believe it got that far in the first place. OK?


I understand that. I, however, don't live in a place called perfect and my expectations about how things really work have been adjusted accordingly.
 
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