NEW Eneos Sustina

[cp3]

Originally Posted By: tribocessive
newbie; 0w20 sustina 2 6packs received today fedx ground; $150 including tax and shipping; sparktecmotorsports.com; 8k miles per month! will do voa/uoa asap; please advise reliable lab for voa testing, especially hths; thanks bitog experts; fantastic website.



Sweet! Definitely not cheap. Most UOA/VOAs here are done by Blackstone.

 

[tribocessive]

i have 2 blackstone kits ; trying to also find other labs; hths? would like to also compare numbers vs eneos claims; thanks.

 

[cp3]

I don't think HTHS testing is cheap and don't know who does it. I think there was a thread about that no too long ago.....

 

[tribocessive]

i looked at dyson; as you noted the oil is expensive also; extended ocis and improved mpg would make it a better value; i will obtain and post blackstone soon.

 

[cp3]

I contacted Eneos Canada on Facebook and actually got a response. He emailed me the PDS, unfortunately it's the same one I found and posted the other day. No HTHS data yet.

 

[CATERHAM]

cp3, thanks for digging up the Sustina PDS info.

We can pretty much infer that the HTHSV spec's will be low for all three Sustina grades; 2.6cP for the 0W-20, 3.0-3.1cP for the 5w30 and 4.1-4.3cP for the 0w50.

The 5w30 with it's 194 VI is very surprising that it's not a 0W-30. That's the highest VI 30wt oil on the market and would therefore be the lightest 30wt oil at all temp's even compared to M1 AFE 0w30 except at extremely cold temp's.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: cp3
I contacted Eneos Canada on Facebook and actually got a response.


cp3, is the Sustina lineup of oils available in Canada (or soon to be)?

 

[cp3]

Yes it is supposed to be available in Canada but only the 5w30 and the 0w50 for now. They actually list a dealer in Kitchener. I'll give them a call soon and see if they have pricing for it. I highly doubt it will beat the TGMO/M1 pricing.

 

[tribocessive]

thank you for your diligence, cp3; i overnighted some virgin sustina 0w20 to blackstone today; stay tuned.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: cp3
Yes it is supposed to be available in Canada but only the 5w30 and the 0w50 for now. They actually list a dealer in Kitchener.


Can you direct me to the dealer list for Ontario?

 

[cp3]

This is what I used.

http://www.eneos.us/dealer/locator/Canada/search?distributor=0

 

[cp3]

Originally Posted By: tribocessive
thank you for your diligence, cp3; i overnighted some virgin sustina 0w20 to blackstone today; stay tuned.


No problem! Looking forward to seeing that.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The 5w30 with it's 194 VI is very surprising that it's not a 0W-30. That's the highest VI 30wt oil on the market and would therefore be the lightest 30wt oil at all temp's


I would like to give this a run this fall and winter but it is liquid gold. Just this morning I stopped by a shop not far from me as they stocked SUSTINA and the cost per 1 quart of SUSTINA is $16.60 + taxes...crazy. It makes FUCHS seem almost bargain basement.

 

[cp3]

Ouch. That's about what I was expecting. Guess I was just hoping it would be more reasonable.

 

[Indydriver]

Interesting. I just noticed at this weekend's MotoGP race that the series leading Yamaha team is sporting prominent Eneos decals on their bikes. Presumably, they are using it in their engines. I wonder what weight they use?

http://www.yamahamotogp.com/yzr-m1/technicalsheet.php

 

[dparm]

Originally Posted By: Indydriver
Interesting. I just noticed at this weekend's MotoGP race that the series leading Yamaha team is sporting prominent Eneos decals on their bikes. Presumably, they are using it in their engines. I wonder what weight they use?

http://www.yamahamotogp.com/yzr-m1/technicalsheet.php



That's very weird -- Yamalube is the Yamaha-branded oil that's quite popular and available for a variety of engines.

 

[dparm]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM

We can pretty much infer that the HTHSV spec's will be low for all three Sustina grades; 2.6cP for the 0W-20, 3.0-3.1cP for the 5w30 and 4.1-4.3cP for the 0w50.



If the 0w50 really is just 4.1, the calculated shear resistance would be very poor (about 0.73). Even if it's 4.3, it would still be fairly mediocre at only 0.77.

With Redline 0w40 having HTHS of 4.0 and VI of 197 I can't see any reason to run the Sustina, unless the UOAs come back as phenomenal. Redline is easy to get and costs about the same as Sustina, too.

Then again, it does have a fairly wide viscosity spread.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: Indydriver
Interesting. I just noticed at this weekend's MotoGP race that the series leading Yamaha team is sporting prominent Eneos decals on their bikes. Presumably, they are using it in their engines. I wonder what weight they use?
http://www.yamahamotogp.com/yzr-m1/technicalsheet.php

Nippon Oil is the formulator of Yamalube so I suspect it's the typical 4T 10W-40 but I wouldn't be surprised if the VI is in the 170-180 range.

Nippon Oil is the leader in ultra high VI oils.
Remember they are the original formulator of the Toyota 0W-20.
It's a case of which came first the chicken and egg scenerio.
Did Nippon Oil develop a high VI 0W-20 and then approach Toyota selling the advantages or vise versa. I suspect it's the former since Nippon Oil has moved on with their even higher VI Sustina range of oils.

 

[cp3]

I would have no reason to run a 0w50, my interest would be stricktly for mixing with their 0w20.

 

[dparm]

Originally Posted By: cp3
I would have no reason to run a 0w50, my interest would be stricktly for mixing with their 0w20.


Agree, I would want to mix it 75/25 or so. Should give HTHS just above 3.6 with a VI of 210. Haven't done the exact math yet, but that's even better than RLI's 0w30 (VI of 193 and HTHS 3.6-3.8).