New cold pour test video of 5w30 Syn

[HKPolice]

Originally Posted By: oldhp
To me it's a useless test. Unless you have a video and multiple oil pressure sensors in a engine showing where and when oil gets to parts of a engine at a specific temp it means nothing. Just me...


Every test gives a little glimpse at the quality of the product overall.

Given that the big brand oils (PP, M1, Castrol edge) have similar NOACK, (10-11%) you can read into their base oil quality from the cold pour results. Higher quality base stock has a higher natural VI = better cold performance.

This is why I was surprised M1 wasn't able to match PP since it is supposed to have some PAO base which has a higher VI than GrpIII.

Maybe M1 removed most of the PAO content from their 5w30 formula since GrpIII oils keeps getting better. SOPUS GTL appears to be the best GrpIII, so their PurePlus marketing has some truth to it.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Good fair test, but at that test temperature (0F), the flow difference isn't going to make or break a cold start. Take the temp down way below that and the flow differences will be much larger.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: bbhero
Yeah I saw this video last winter. It was interesting in how well Pennzoil Platinum did in comparison to Castrol Edge. This video may well confirm the PQIA test results in how Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and Pennzoil Platinum both had lower CCS and MRV than Castrol Edge. However... Being that they all pass both tests then it is all elementary. They all would perform ok in those cold temps.

This. Pay attention to CCS and MRV. The grading system moved away from pour point tests for a reason. All ILSAC 5w30 options will do quite well, conventional or synthetic. Petro-Canada's 5w30 conventional actually has better numbers than some 5w30 synthetics.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Petro-Canada's 5w30 conventional actually has better numbers than some 5w30 synthetics.


Their "Supreme SYNTHETIC" line of oils have excellent stats. I have used the 0W30 and 5W30 grades in previous vehicles. (But with no official VW approvals ie 502/504/507 I will respectfully decline the use these PC oils for our 2018 Golf R).

 

[toys]

all i know is that when i went to change the oil in a snowblower with valvoline synpower 5w30 at around -10 C
the stuff came out of the bottle like molasses.the oil was stored in the cold and i was not impressed.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
Their "Supreme SYNTHETIC" line of oils have excellent stats. I have used the 0W30 and 5W30 grades in previous vehicles. (But with no official VW approvals ie 502/504/507 I will respectfully decline the use these PC oils for our 2018 Golf R).

Petro-Canada has some sort of A3/B4 option available for the European market, but not here; go figure.

 

[HKPolice]

Originally Posted By: toys
all i know is that when i went to change the oil in a snowblower with valvoline synpower 5w30 at around -10 C
the stuff came out of the bottle like molasses.the oil was stored in the cold and i was not impressed.


You should run it on M1 0w30, small bottles are cheap anyways.

 

[Garak]

Yes, but the contents are expensive.

 

[irv]

Originally Posted By: HKPolice
Originally Posted By: oldhp
To me it's a useless test. Unless you have a video and multiple oil pressure sensors in a engine showing where and when oil gets to parts of a engine at a specific temp it means nothing. Just me...


Every test gives a little glimpse at the quality of the product overall.

Given that the big brand oils (PP, M1, Castrol edge) have similar NOACK, (10-11%) you can read into their base oil quality from the cold pour results. Higher quality base stock has a higher natural VI = better cold performance.

This is why I was surprised M1 wasn't able to match PP since it is supposed to have some PAO base which has a higher VI than GrpIII.

Maybe M1 removed most of the PAO content from their 5w30 formula since GrpIII oils keeps getting better. SOPUS GTL appears to be the best GrpIII, so their PurePlus marketing has some truth to it.


I'm not surprise at all. There is nothing about Mobil that is "Superior" or "technologically Advanced" that I have ever seen. They claim it is also a "Premium" oil but the only thing "Premium" about it is the price.

I'll gladly stick with Pennzoil, as, imo, it is far superior to Mobil and priced a heck of a lot better as well.

What are the benefits of Pennzoil Platinum®: Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus Technology™?
Pennzoil Platinum® Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus Technology™ delivers COMPLETE PROTECTION, including:

Redesigned for modern turbocharged engines; API SN PLUS, API SN-Resource Conserving and all previous categories
Better Fuel Economy: Drives on average an extra 880 kilometers per year, vs. a dirty engine1
Horsepower Protection: Helps protect engines from loss of power
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction2
Excellent Performance in Extreme Temperatures: Provides faster low temperature oil flow and protects in extreme heat
Pennzoil Platinum® with PurePlus Technology™ is also:

Backed by 10 year/800,000 kilometer Lubrication Limited Warranty

 

[HKPolice]

Originally Posted By: irv
Originally Posted By: HKPolice
Originally Posted By: oldhp
To me it's a useless test. Unless you have a video and multiple oil pressure sensors in a engine showing where and when oil gets to parts of a engine at a specific temp it means nothing. Just me...


Every test gives a little glimpse at the quality of the product overall.

Given that the big brand oils (PP, M1, Castrol edge) have similar NOACK, (10-11%) you can read into their base oil quality from the cold pour results. Higher quality base stock has a higher natural VI = better cold performance.

This is why I was surprised M1 wasn't able to match PP since it is supposed to have some PAO base which has a higher VI than GrpIII.

Maybe M1 removed most of the PAO content from their 5w30 formula since GrpIII oils keeps getting better. SOPUS GTL appears to be the best GrpIII, so their PurePlus marketing has some truth to it.


I'm not surprise at all. There is nothing about Mobil that is "Superior" or "technologically Advanced" that I have ever seen. They claim it is also a "Premium" oil but the only thing "Premium" about it is the price.

I'll gladly stick with Pennzoil, as, imo, it is far superior to Mobil and priced a heck of a lot better as well.

What are the benefits of Pennzoil Platinum®: Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus Technology™?
Pennzoil Platinum® Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus Technology™ delivers COMPLETE PROTECTION, including:

Redesigned for modern turbocharged engines; API SN PLUS, API SN-Resource Conserving and all previous categories
Better Fuel Economy: Drives on average an extra 880 kilometers per year, vs. a dirty engine1
Horsepower Protection: Helps protect engines from loss of power
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction2
Excellent Performance in Extreme Temperatures: Provides faster low temperature oil flow and protects in extreme heat
Pennzoil Platinum® with PurePlus Technology™ is also:

Backed by 10 year/800,000 kilometer Lubrication Limited Warranty


I wouldn't go that far with the generalizations.

M1 5w30 might not have much PAO base anymore, but M1 AFE & EP/AP oils for sure has a lot of PAO which is a better base stock than Shell's GTL.

You get what you pay for, M1 EP/AP oils will beat even PUP in longevity and cold performance but it'll cost 15-25% extra.

Also, M1's calcium + magnesium additive pack is a lot more resistant to LSPI than Shell's pure calcium pack used in all their oils. If you don't have a TGDI engine then this won't matter, but a good portion of all new cars are TGDI.

 

[Patman]

Originally Posted By: irv


I'm not surprise at all. There is nothing about Mobil that is "Superior" or "technologically Advanced" that I have ever seen. They claim it is also a "Premium" oil but the only thing "Premium" about it is the price.

Quote:


I'll gladly stick with Pennzoil, as, imo, it is far superior to Mobil


That's just your opinion, with absolutely zero facts to back it up. Give it up already.

 

[turnbowm]

Originally Posted By: HKPolice
I wouldn't go that far with the generalizations.

M1 5w30 might not have much PAO base anymore, but M1 AFE & EP/AP oils for sure has a lot of PAO which is a better base stock than Shell's GTL.

You get what you pay for, M1 EP/AP oils will beat even PUP in longevity and cold performance but it'll cost 15-25% extra.

Also, M1's calcium + magnesium additive pack is a lot more resistant to LSPI than Shell's pure calcium pack used in all their oils. If you don't have a TGDI engine then this won't matter, but a good portion of all new cars are TGDI.

In 5W30 grade, M1 and M1 EP have <30% PAO while M1 AP has <10% PAO. Reportedly, M1 AP uses GTL basestock.

 

[irv]

Originally Posted By: HKPolice
Originally Posted By: irv
Originally Posted By: HKPolice
Originally Posted By: oldhp
To me it's a useless test. Unless you have a video and multiple oil pressure sensors in a engine showing where and when oil gets to parts of a engine at a specific temp it means nothing. Just me...


Every test gives a little glimpse at the quality of the product overall.

Given that the big brand oils (PP, M1, Castrol edge) have similar NOACK, (10-11%) you can read into their base oil quality from the cold pour results. Higher quality base stock has a higher natural VI = better cold performance.

This is why I was surprised M1 wasn't able to match PP since it is supposed to have some PAO base which has a higher VI than GrpIII.

Maybe M1 removed most of the PAO content from their 5w30 formula since GrpIII oils keeps getting better. SOPUS GTL appears to be the best GrpIII, so their PurePlus marketing has some truth to it.


I'm not surprise at all. There is nothing about Mobil that is "Superior" or "technologically Advanced" that I have ever seen. They claim it is also a "Premium" oil but the only thing "Premium" about it is the price.

I'll gladly stick with Pennzoil, as, imo, it is far superior to Mobil and priced a heck of a lot better as well.

What are the benefits of Pennzoil Platinum®: Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus Technology™?
Pennzoil Platinum® Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus Technology™ delivers COMPLETE PROTECTION, including:

Redesigned for modern turbocharged engines; API SN PLUS, API SN-Resource Conserving and all previous categories
Better Fuel Economy: Drives on average an extra 880 kilometers per year, vs. a dirty engine1
Horsepower Protection: Helps protect engines from loss of power
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction2
Excellent Performance in Extreme Temperatures: Provides faster low temperature oil flow and protects in extreme heat
Pennzoil Platinum® with PurePlus Technology™ is also:

Backed by 10 year/800,000 kilometer Lubrication Limited Warranty


I wouldn't go that far with the generalizations.

M1 5w30 might not have much PAO base anymore, but M1 AFE & EP/AP oils for sure has a lot of PAO which is a better base stock than Shell's GTL.

You get what you pay for, M1 EP/AP oils will beat even PUP in longevity and cold performance but it'll cost 15-25% extra.

Also, M1's calcium + magnesium additive pack is a lot more resistant to LSPI than Shell's pure calcium pack used in all their oils. If you don't have a TGDI engine then this won't matter, but a good portion of all new cars are TGDI.


But yet he tested the EP flavor and even at the 15% to 25% premium he likely paid for the oil, it still didn't do as well as the Pennzoil.
I know the difference wasn't huge between them, but yet the cheaper to purchase Pennzoil still came out on top.

 

[irv]

Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: irv


I'm not surprise at all. There is nothing about Mobil that is "Superior" or "technologically Advanced" that I have ever seen. They claim it is also a "Premium" oil but the only thing "Premium" about it is the price.

Quote:


I'll gladly stick with Pennzoil, as, imo, it is far superior to Mobil


That's just your opinion, with absolutely zero facts to back it up. Give it up already.


And you always have an opinion on how good Mobil is so please tell/show me what "Facts" you have that show Mobil oils are Superior or head and shoulders above the rest?

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted By: irv
Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: irv


I'm not surprise at all. There is nothing about Mobil that is "Superior" or "technologically Advanced" that I have ever seen. They claim it is also a "Premium" oil but the only thing "Premium" about it is the price.

Quote:


I'll gladly stick with Pennzoil, as, imo, it is far superior to Mobil


That's just your opinion, with absolutely zero facts to back it up. Give it up already.


And you always have an opinion on how good Mobil is so please tell/show me what "Facts" you have that show Mobil oils are Superior or head and shoulders above the rest?

It doesn’t matter what brand of oil you use as long as it meets the specs for your vehicle. The idea that Pennzoil is better than M1 is a fishing expedition by irv

 

[kschachn]

Honestly, anyone who believes this "test" somehow gives a quality ranking of some sort is seriously misguided. SAE J300 (encompassing ASTM D5293 and D4684) and the resulting "W" rating is the proper indicator of cold weather performance, not some dood on the Internet.

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Honestly, anyone who believes this "test" somehow gives a quality ranking of some sort is seriously misguided. SAE J300 (encompassing ASTM D5293 and D4684) is the proper test for cold weather performance, not some dood on the Internet.


bUt ThE pEnNzOiL pOuReD fAsTeR mAn

 

[Patman]

Originally Posted By: irv


And you always have an opinion on how good Mobil is so please tell/show me what "Facts" you have that show Mobil oils are Superior or head and shoulders above the rest?

I really don't need to prove anything to you, because the difference here is that I'm not claiming Mobil 1 is superior, I'm simply stating that it's not an inferior oil like you keep suggesting over and over again ad nauseam. As you can see from my sig line, I'm not an M1 fan boy, I use three different oils in three different cars. But it bothers me when people like you keep claiming over and over and over again how terrible Mobil 1 is, because it's not.

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: irv


And you always have an opinion on how good Mobil is so please tell/show me what "Facts" you have that show Mobil oils are Superior or head and shoulders above the rest?

I really don't need to prove anything to you, because the difference here is that I'm not claiming Mobil 1 is superior, I'm simply stating that it's not an inferior oil like you keep suggesting over and over again ad nauseam. As you can see from my sig line, I'm not an M1 fan boy, I use three different oils in three different cars. But it bothers me when people like you keep claiming over and over and over again how terrible Mobil 1 is, because it's not.




Well stated Patman.

 

[wdn]

Again this YouTube video is a "demo" not a test. For amusement purposes only. The cold cranking performance of engine oil is well studied by the oil industry in a pair of standardized tests, ASTM D5293 for cold cranking, and D4684 for pumpability.

How fast the oil pours out of a funnel has nothing to do with it.

Since vehicles in the US spend very few -30 F days it is not very relevant, but hats off to ASTM for measuring it and coming up with a standard. Any one of the 5w30 synthetic oils meet that standard. Here in New Hampshire low temps get into the -15 to -20 F range a few days a year. And when the temp is -30 F your synthetic engine oil becomes the least of your worries when it comes to getting your car started. After you do get it started, after less than minute of running your engine oil is not -30 F any longer either.