New battery - 2002 Expedition

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Originally Posted By: Rand
overkill that battery isnt officially overkill enough you should get a bsd-65
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if going oem.


Now why the heck didn't the parts finder recommend THAT!!!
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
Reference this Motorcraft battery PDF catalouge.
It says 875CCA
http://bit.ly/1hge9At


Whoever posted that PDF needs to delete it, way outdated. The BXT-65-850 is 850CCA, 1000CA and 150RC, just looked at my rack of them.


What about the battery that Rand just recommended? The BSD-65?
 
Originally Posted By: Rand
also the factory battery was the BTX-65-650

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Yup, I believe you are correct.
 
More amps means more plates in the same box, I would get a bxt65 650. It should live longer than the higher amp batteries.
 
Originally Posted By: dave munson
I thought interstate batteries were well thought of over the last couple decades.


Yeah I'd say see if you can find an Interstate Battery as well. I have a Megatron Plus MTP-24F 800CCA in the Accord (way overkill as the OE is 450CCA tops).

They're made by JCI which IMO makes good batteries. I believe AAP and AutoZone are also JCI. Perhaps the Motorcraft battery is the way to go for you if they're made by JCI.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
The sad part is,the OEM batteries are made by the same companies that make the aftermarket ones.Somebody is getting taken on the replacements...


I don't think the Exide ones are made by Johnson Controls though, who I believe makes the Motorcraft ones, correct?
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Exide makes batteries as does JCI and one or two other companies. Exide is at the bottom of my list because of the older technology lead alloy they use.
 
Originally Posted By: redhat
Originally Posted By: dave munson
I thought interstate batteries were well thought of over the last couple decades.


Yeah I'd say see if you can find an Interstate Battery as well. I have a Megatron Plus MTP-24F 800CCA in the Accord (way overkill as the OE is 450CCA tops).

They're made by JCI which IMO makes good batteries. I believe AAP and AutoZone are also JCI. Perhaps the Motorcraft battery is the way to go for you if they're made by JCI.


You have a what?

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Originally Posted By: Roadkingnc
More amps means more plates in the same box, I would get a bxt65 650. It should live longer than the higher amp batteries.


Why do you say that?

All batteries leave the factory dying. Plus locally in the morning a new 650 amp batter will be a 325 amp battery when it is time to go to work.

Smaller may be better in some things but not so much in batteries in my experience over the decades.

If not driven daily we find it is best if our 2000 Towncar is plugged up to the $20 solution we bought in the charger department at WM to make batteries last longer. The parasitic loads become more noticeable in the winter in our region.
 
You can always get an Interstate, they are always made by JCI and are always good batteries, maybe not the cheapest. Their phone is 800-CRANKIT. To find a dealer.

I would find a battery made by JCI. JCI made batteries with cell caps always have a 45 degree angle on the corners of the cell caps.

The labeled batteries can switch manufacturers when the contract runs out and someone else is a low bidder. So a Motorcraft could be JCI for a few years, then Exide, then Deka-East Penn. The exception is Interstate, they are always JCI.

I got a MAXX battery for my Jeep at Walmart. It was an Exide and lasted < 2 years. They replaced it with a MAXX now made by JCI. Its lasted 4 years and still strong.

So don't assume a XYZ named battery that lasted 10 years will last 10 years when you buy a replacement. It may not be made by the same company currently.
 
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Originally Posted By: Roadkingnc
More amps means more plates in the same box, I would get a bxt65 650. It should live longer than the higher amp batteries.


Why do you say that?

All batteries leave the factory dying. Plus locally in the morning a new 650 amp batter will be a 325 amp battery when it is time to go to work.

Smaller may be better in some things but not so much in batteries in my experience over the decades.

If not driven daily we find it is best if our 2000 Towncar is plugged up to the $20 solution we bought in the charger department at WM to make batteries last longer. The parasitic loads become more noticeable in the winter in our region.


He's talking about the same physical dimensions and group size battery. You can have the same physical size battery but something like the Autocraft gold has more plates to achieve more amps than an Autocraft silver of the same size. That is probably why many recommend the silver over the gold, less plates equals less components to fail.


The AAP batteries are JCI but not all AZ batteries are. I noticed at my AZ only the Duralast gold was JCI but the cheaper variations were not and the Platinum is totally different AGM.

OEM or Interstate if you don't collect your pennies. I don't know what is going on but I see JCI oem batteries outliving other JCI batteries. Is it cherry picking?

Just saw a Motorcraft JCI battery in a co workers car completely killed by dead alternator dated 6/2006. Leaking and acid coming out a little and he replaced the alternator and jump started the car it's been working great in this cold weather since. I never see that with retail batteries of the same age. Starting to think all JCI aren't created equal.
 
Originally Posted By: redhat
The big three are JCI, Exide and Delphi.



I just read that the big three is JCI, DeKa a East Penn Co and Excide.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
Reference this Motorcraft battery PDF catalouge.
It says 875CCA
http://bit.ly/1hge9At


Whoever posted that PDF needs to delete it, way outdated. The BXT-65-850 is 850CCA, 1000CA and 150RC, just looked at my rack of them.


What about the battery that Rand just recommended? The BSD-65?


Discontinued, another reason to trash that PDF.
 
OEM for the win. I put Delcos in everything. Especially because I can get the "blem" batteries for $35 a pop. I would definitely go with the Motorcraft, it seems that everybody including yourself has had good luck with them.
 
I've been using Interstate batteries since the very early 1980's and I've never had one fail to start the vehicle, nor have I ever had to use the warranty. I have a 3 year old Interstate battery in my Dodge pickup that hasn't been started or driven since late December. This morning I decided to drive it. It started without an issue even in temperatures a couple degrees above zero (Fahrenheit).

My 67 year old tractor that I use to keep the driveway cleared of snow had a 5 year old 6 volt Interstate battery. It always starts even if the tractor has been sitting for a couple months.

Every Interstate battery that I've had has outlasted the warranty period.
 
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Originally Posted By: Roadkingnc
More amps means more plates in the same box, I would get a bxt65 650. It should live longer than the higher amp batteries.


Why do you say that?

All batteries leave the factory dying. Plus locally in the morning a new 650 amp batter will be a 325 amp battery when it is time to go to work.

Smaller may be better in some things but not so much in batteries in my experience over the decades.

If not driven daily we find it is best if our 2000 Towncar is plugged up to the $20 solution we bought in the charger department at WM to make batteries last longer. The parasitic loads become more noticeable in the winter in our region.


He's talking about the same physical dimensions and group size battery. You can have the same physical size battery but something like the Autocraft gold has more plates to achieve more amps than an Autocraft silver of the same size. That is probably why many recommend the silver over the gold, less plates equals less components to fail.


The AAP batteries are JCI but not all AZ batteries are. I noticed at my AZ only the Duralast gold was JCI but the cheaper variations were not and the Platinum is totally different AGM.

OEM or Interstate if you don't collect your pennies. I don't know what is going on but I see JCI oem batteries outliving other JCI batteries. Is it cherry picking?

Just saw a Motorcraft JCI battery in a co workers car completely killed by dead alternator dated 6/2006. Leaking and acid coming out a little and he replaced the alternator and jump started the car it's been working great in this cold weather since. I never see that with retail batteries of the same age. Starting to think all JCI aren't created equal.


Since they do not list plate counts like years ago I go by weight today.

The higher the amps the longer the life today and they do cost more because they contain more lead.

I think the logic that more plates means higher risk of failure is not supported today. Today the higher the amp rating the longer the company stands behind the battery typically.
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