Never Get an "Engine Flush" NBC
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News stations should stick to what they're best at--reporting news events. They should stay away from conducting investigations about subjects that they are not familiar with.
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Jiffy Lube values its relationship with every customer. We offer services based both on the vehicle manufacturer and on automotive aftermarket industry recommendations. The aftermarket services go beyond OEM recommendations and are supported services designed to be part of a vehicle’s ongoing preventive maintenance routine.
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As you may appreciate, the issue of OEM recommendations versus automotive aftermarket industry recommendations has been a long debate that has led to confusion among car owners. I would strongly recommend you take this issue into account for the benefit of all your viewers.
This explains the differences between OEM and aftermarket recommendations. However, it was certainly wrong for the technician to state that the additional services were required by the manufacturer. Instead, he should've stated that the services were "highly recommended" by the shop.
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Jiffy Lube values its relationship with every customer. We offer services based both on the vehicle manufacturer and on automotive aftermarket industry recommendations. The aftermarket services go beyond OEM recommendations and are supported services designed to be part of a vehicle’s ongoing preventive maintenance routine.
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As you may appreciate, the issue of OEM recommendations versus automotive aftermarket industry recommendations has been a long debate that has led to confusion among car owners. I would strongly recommend you take this issue into account for the benefit of all your viewers.
This explains the differences between OEM and aftermarket recommendations. However, it was certainly wrong for the technician to state that the additional services were required by the manufacturer. Instead, he should've stated that the services were "highly recommended" by the shop.
he just says what he's told if he says what he knows hes fired.
only get ur engine flush by the dealer, and make him guarantee in writing that if you grenade the engine within ninety days you get a new one.
only get ur engine flush by the dealer, and make him guarantee in writing that if you grenade the engine within ninety days you get a new one.
I don't understand why anyone would want an engine flush ever!? Unless they were unknowning and told they needed one by someone they trust.
If I wanna flush the engine I do a 3000 mile oil change! Bitogers know better! At least most of us do!
If I wanna flush the engine I do a 3000 mile oil change! Bitogers know better! At least most of us do!
if one followed this advice, we'd all still be British Crown subjects forced to pay for the Queen's faart sniffing and Prince Phillip humping young men.
"News stations should stick to what they're best at--reporting news events. They should stay away from conducting investigations about subjects that they are not familiar with."
old Ben Franklin with his pithy newspaper political investigations and involvement in the Revolution led to the dictators being kicked out.
anyone that falsely thinks or has been brainwashed by JiffyLube management into believing that Iffy Lube knows anything about vehicle maint. deserves the loose drain plug falling out on the freeway
would you let Iffy Lube "techs" service the engines on the commercial jet liner you fly on?
"News stations should stick to what they're best at--reporting news events. They should stay away from conducting investigations about subjects that they are not familiar with."
old Ben Franklin with his pithy newspaper political investigations and involvement in the Revolution led to the dictators being kicked out.
anyone that falsely thinks or has been brainwashed by JiffyLube management into believing that Iffy Lube knows anything about vehicle maint. deserves the loose drain plug falling out on the freeway
would you let Iffy Lube "techs" service the engines on the commercial jet liner you fly on?
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Originally Posted By: Steelhead
if one followed this advice, we'd all still be British Crown subjects forced to pay for the Queen's faart sniffing and Prince Phillip humping young men.
old Ben Franklin with his pithy newspaper political investigations and involvement in the Revolution led to the dictators being kicked out.
"News stations should stick to what they're best at--reporting news events. They should stay away from conducting investigations about subjects that they are not familiar with."
Ben Franklin was/is "The Man". At least in my book! I wish a cloned version of Franklin had shown up in time to be elected!
WWBFD?
if one followed this advice, we'd all still be British Crown subjects forced to pay for the Queen's faart sniffing and Prince Phillip humping young men.
old Ben Franklin with his pithy newspaper political investigations and involvement in the Revolution led to the dictators being kicked out.
"News stations should stick to what they're best at--reporting news events. They should stay away from conducting investigations about subjects that they are not familiar with."
Ben Franklin was/is "The Man". At least in my book! I wish a cloned version of Franklin had shown up in time to be elected!
WWBFD?
We all know these service stations rip you off, but recommending an engine flush every 30k isn't that bad. If you do a flush every 30k you shouldn't have any sludge build up anyway. It's those engines with 150k miles that you shouldn't flush.
Take is easy on the Royals hehe, we still doing it here is Australia. Maybe oneday we will become a republic. So far majority of Aussies are PUBlicans (Nick name for people who frequent Bars to have a drink).
I can see how flushes done at reglar intervals should keep an engine clean at almost no risk. However, what happens when you flush an engine after say 100K? How do they guarantee that the released crud won't get stuck in some oil passage and block it?
I guess that is the main question raised by this piece even if they didn't go into deeper analysis and spell it out.
So, how do you ensure that *ALL* released dirt from a flush actually exists an engine?
I guess that is the main question raised by this piece even if they didn't go into deeper analysis and spell it out.
So, how do you ensure that *ALL* released dirt from a flush actually exists an engine?
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Originally Posted By: bob_ninja
I can see how flushes done at reglar intervals should keep an engine clean at almost no risk.
I disagree about the no risk part, if you're using the typical engine flush which uses kerosene or a similar type of solvent. What happens after you've finished the flush and you drain the oil? There is going to be some residual solvent left behind, and that's going to contaminate the next oil that you put into the engine.
If you buy a car new and do not push your oil changes beyond their reasonable limits, I do not think an engine needs to be flushed at any point in it's life. (the sludge prone engines like the old Toyota V6s are an obvious exception-although one could argue that they only sludge up when you've pushed the oil beyond it's "reasonable limit" for that particular application, so my previous statement would still be valid)
I can see how flushes done at reglar intervals should keep an engine clean at almost no risk.
I disagree about the no risk part, if you're using the typical engine flush which uses kerosene or a similar type of solvent. What happens after you've finished the flush and you drain the oil? There is going to be some residual solvent left behind, and that's going to contaminate the next oil that you put into the engine.
If you buy a car new and do not push your oil changes beyond their reasonable limits, I do not think an engine needs to be flushed at any point in it's life. (the sludge prone engines like the old Toyota V6s are an obvious exception-although one could argue that they only sludge up when you've pushed the oil beyond it's "reasonable limit" for that particular application, so my previous statement would still be valid)
If you change your oil at reasonable intervals I don't see why you'd ever need a flush. I know plenty of people that have gone 200,000, 300,000, 400,000, 500,000 miles without flushing their engines.
It seems like a waste of money to me.
Originally Posted By: wcbcruzer
We all know these service stations rip you off, but recommending an engine flush every 30k isn't that bad. If you do a flush every 30k you shouldn't have any sludge build up anyway. It's those engines with 150k miles that you shouldn't flush.
It is bad because it's an unnecessary rip-off with no upside for a well maintained engine.
There are also many ways for the flusher to mess things up. Don't forget that the work is being done by oil changers that have trouble doing a simple oil change corrrectly.
We all know these service stations rip you off, but recommending an engine flush every 30k isn't that bad. If you do a flush every 30k you shouldn't have any sludge build up anyway. It's those engines with 150k miles that you shouldn't flush.
It is bad because it's an unnecessary rip-off with no upside for a well maintained engine.
There are also many ways for the flusher to mess things up. Don't forget that the work is being done by oil changers that have trouble doing a simple oil change corrrectly.
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Originally Posted By: ThirdeYe
If you change your oil at reasonable intervals I don't see why you'd ever need a flush. I know plenty of people that have gone 200,000, 300,000, 400,000, 500,000 miles without flushing their engines.
It seems like a waste of money to me.
Right on Third!
Keep your oil changed,your car maintained,and don`t abuse it and the engine will last almost indefinitely. Like Third said about knowing people with high mileage engines,my dad`s Olds 88 comes to mind. He has long since passed the 400k mark on nothing but Pennz yb only. Car looks like a 400k mile car,but I took it on a 45 mile hwy drive awhile back. I drove it at the 70-80mph range and it ran *flawlessly*. Engine is still smooth and quiet! He still drives that car all over the country and never has any trouble with it.
Engine flushes are a no-no imo.
If you change your oil at reasonable intervals I don't see why you'd ever need a flush. I know plenty of people that have gone 200,000, 300,000, 400,000, 500,000 miles without flushing their engines.
Right on Third!
Keep your oil changed,your car maintained,and don`t abuse it and the engine will last almost indefinitely. Like Third said about knowing people with high mileage engines,my dad`s Olds 88 comes to mind. He has long since passed the 400k mark on nothing but Pennz yb only. Car looks like a 400k mile car,but I took it on a 45 mile hwy drive awhile back. I drove it at the 70-80mph range and it ran *flawlessly*. Engine is still smooth and quiet! He still drives that car all over the country and never has any trouble with it.
Engine flushes are a no-no imo.
I consider Amsoil to be one of the leaders of this "sea change" going on with oil, especially with the extended UOAs.
Then why do they market an engine flush solution? I've been under the impression that if I used their oil, my engine would stay clean ( I still believe that, btw ). So I wonder why they market an engine flush?
Then why do they market an engine flush solution? I've been under the impression that if I used their oil, my engine would stay clean ( I still believe that, btw ). So I wonder why they market an engine flush?
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Watching that video was a freaking trip! Makes me glad I`ve never once in my life had anyone else but me change the oil in any of my machines.
My owner`s manual even says *NOT* to use any additives in the engine and/or transmission.
My owner`s manual even says *NOT* to use any additives in the engine and/or transmission.
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I`m one of the "old school" types I guess. I still change my car`s oil every 3 months regardless of mileage and if I use a synth or dino. I plan on keeping this car more than likely forever (even when I end up get another one). My oci`s may be overkill,but I`m always going to do it that way.
Originally Posted By: hate2work
I consider Amsoil to be one of the leaders of this "sea change" going on with oil, especially with the extended UOAs.
Then why do they market an engine flush solution? I've been under the impression that if I used their oil, my engine would stay clean ( I still believe that, btw ). So I wonder why they market an engine flush?
For the many engines that haven't been properly maintained.
I consider Amsoil to be one of the leaders of this "sea change" going on with oil, especially with the extended UOAs.
Then why do they market an engine flush solution? I've been under the impression that if I used their oil, my engine would stay clean ( I still believe that, btw ). So I wonder why they market an engine flush?
For the many engines that haven't been properly maintained.
Originally Posted By: hate2work
I consider Amsoil to be one of the leaders of this "sea change" going on with oil, especially with the extended UOAs.
Then why do they market an engine flush solution? I've been under the impression that if I used their oil, my engine would stay clean ( I still believe that, btw ). So I wonder why they market an engine flush?
Amsoil markets AEF mainly for changeover to Amsoil. Not as a continuous use product. Used properly it will not harm your engine.
I consider Amsoil to be one of the leaders of this "sea change" going on with oil, especially with the extended UOAs.
Then why do they market an engine flush solution? I've been under the impression that if I used their oil, my engine would stay clean ( I still believe that, btw ). So I wonder why they market an engine flush?
Amsoil markets AEF mainly for changeover to Amsoil. Not as a continuous use product. Used properly it will not harm your engine.
Five flushes on 3 different cars never a problem cars are well maintained and that is the key.
People who take their cars to quickie lubes ask for it.
People who take their cars to quickie lubes ask for it.
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