My Support of Mobil...:)

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Originally Posted By: Johnny
Maybe the API should test this oil that has their certification mark on it.
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But Johnny, that would be logical
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I don't understand where all the moral outrage is coming from.

Since when has ANY motor oil manufacturer been forthright regarding it's chemistry? They act like their 'proprietary formulation' some big secret, yet I've got to believe that they all know exactly what's in their competitor's lube. Instead of telling up lowly consumers the truth, they lie and distort, and sic the marketing ******es on us - "Our Super Lube 2000 is new and improved, now with BLUE CRYSTALS!" They spend millions on advertising not to inform, but to sow the seeds of fear. "You'll get sludge!," "you'll suffer startup wear!," "you'll get sheared!!! if you don't use our oil." Puuuuuleaze!

From the one data-sparse graph I've seen, it does appear that at least one M1 sample tested exceeded the S-IVA cam lobe wear spec. Valvoline has not released ANY further information. 'Details' such as batches tested, dates, margin of error, repeatability, etc. are all strangely missing. They hype and insinuate, but don't really tell you anything. You want 'sleazy' you got it. Until this all shakes out and full disclosure occurs (if it ever does), I'm greeting everything I hear with a large does of cynicism.

As for the S-IVa test itself, I suspect it represents some sort of worst case scenario. Does anyone have specific details to share? Does the Nissan engine have a reputation for eating cams? Does the test require the use of high strength valve springs, high lift cams, or some other modification? Nissan has a pretty good reputation, and it seems odd that any appreciable wear would occur over the test duration. The specified 120 micron wear limit represents a LOT of missing metal.

I'm sure XM is quite concerned about a possible failing of spec, this stuff IS important. On the other hand, all the wailing and gnashing we're seeing (and participating in!) seems rather unnecessary. If M1's real-world lubricant qualities were/are lacking, the zillion+1 UOA posts in this forum would see it. Hundreds of microns of camshaft floating around would show as a huge spike the wear metal report.

FWLIW, my personal experience reinforces the BITOG UOA data. I've been using M1 for the last ~4 years. Last summer I changed the cam cover seal on my 92 Accord. The cams, nearly 200K miles old, were immaculate. Relax people, the killer oil is not going to eat your car. (I'm far more PO'd about M1's recent price hikes. If I stop using it, it will be a cost issue.)

-Moo
 
Originally Posted By: BTLew81
I know there is a 20wt EP...no stock of it at the local WM


Autozone is the only one that stocks it here in Joliet.

Kelly
 
Originally Posted By: Geonerd
I don't understand where all the moral outrage is coming from.

Since when has ANY motor oil manufacturer been forthright regarding it's chemistry? They act like their 'proprietary formulation' some big secret, yet I've got to believe that they all know exactly what's in their competitor's lube. Instead of telling up lowly consumers the truth, they lie and distort, and sic the marketing ******es on us - "Our Super Lube 2000 is new and improved, now with BLUE CRYSTALS!" They spend millions on advertising not to inform, but to sow the seeds of fear. "You'll get sludge!," "you'll suffer startup wear!," "you'll get sheared!!! if you don't use our oil." Puuuuuleaze!

From the one data-sparse graph I've seen, it does appear that at least one M1 sample tested exceeded the S-IVA cam lobe wear spec. Valvoline has not released ANY further information. 'Details' such as batches tested, dates, margin of error, repeatability, etc. are all strangely missing. They hype and insinuate, but don't really tell you anything. You want 'sleazy' you got it. Until this all shakes out and full disclosure occurs (if it ever does), I'm greeting everything I hear with a large does of cynicism.

As for the S-IVa test itself, I suspect it represents some sort of worst case scenario. Does anyone have specific details to share? Does the Nissan engine have a reputation for eating cams? Does the test require the use of high strength valve springs, high lift cams, or some other modification? Nissan has a pretty good reputation, and it seems odd that any appreciable wear would occur over the test duration. The specified 120 micron wear limit represents a LOT of missing metal.

I'm sure XM is quite concerned about a possible failing of spec, this stuff IS important. On the other hand, all the wailing and gnashing we're seeing (and participating in!) seems rather unnecessary. If M1's real-world lubricant qualities were/are lacking, the zillion+1 UOA posts in this forum would see it. Hundreds of microns of camshaft floating around would show as a huge spike the wear metal report.

FWLIW, my personal experience reinforces the BITOG UOA data. I've been using M1 for the last ~4 years. Last summer I changed the cam cover seal on my 92 Accord. The cams, nearly 200K miles old, were immaculate. Relax people, the killer oil is not going to eat your car. (I'm far more PO'd about M1's recent price hikes. If I stop using it, it will be a cost issue.)

-Moo


Gee - the A-hole word here gets past the censor and I use B S one time and get banned for 2 days!!! What the h is going on around here?
 
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I have a 1997 Town car w/ 191,000 miles--run exclusively on Mobil-1 since I purchased it w/ 66k miles--M-1, 5-30 grade has been used 90% ofthe time w/ 7500 mile oil changes.one change w/ 5-30 EP. The car uses virtually no oil between changes. In fact, in the one change w/ M-1, 5-30 EP, the oil was down about 1/8 qt. after a 14,800 mi change.
 
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
The issue is that there 5w30(pending the labresults) dose not meet API SM grade, and it dose not mee GF-4 specs.


Hearsay and unproven contention and further, you have no idea of the facts. I am so disappointed in this site and its "citizens".... So many conclusions have been drawn and given "factoid" status, when nobody really knows what this marketing attempt by a competitor actually "proves".

Color me unimpressed.
 
Are you all talking about the 5w30 EP? Because I have a bottle of the regular Mobil 1 5W30 and it says it meets API SM and GF-4.
Also ACEA A1 B1 A5 B5.
 
Originally Posted By: MatchboxCar
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
The issue is that there 5w30(pending the labresults) dose not meet API SM grade, and it dose not mee GF-4 specs.


Hearsay and unproven contention and further, you have no idea of the facts. I am so disappointed in this site and its "citizens".... So many conclusions have been drawn and given "factoid" status, when nobody really knows what this marketing attempt by a competitor actually "proves".

Color me unimpressed.


Pardon, but I have NEVER said in ANY of my posts that Ashlands claims are correct.
I have never stated anything as being a "factoid Status".

I am just as weary on the subject as you. I am awaiting for the truth to come out in rock solid form. Untill then I am holding my judgment.
 
Geonerd, it sounds like you have "issues" with marketing.
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I do, too. I mute the sound when commercials come on the telly and go do something else, because I'm tired of being lied to and insulted. Rock on, my brother.

Sorry for the thread hijack...
 
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