My Saturn Turned 150,000 Miles!

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Why people chose Saturn S-Series cars over Japanese, Honda, and/or Civic

Ease to return/replace a newly purchased Saturn S-Series: easy as for most model years there was a 30-day / 1,500 mile period during which the car could be returned or exchanged for any reason such as wanting a different color, disliking the power sunroof, disliking the leather seats, preferring a wagon over a sedan, etc.

Cost to replace Saturn S-Series timing belt: $0 because they have long-life timing chains.

Cost to repair Saturn S-Series door dings and body rust: $0 because they have dent-free rust-free plastic polymer paneling.

Difficulty to replace Saturn S-Series automatic transmission filter: As easy as changing a common spin-on oil filter, since the filter is the same design spin-on filter too. For manual transmission models there isn't a filter and the fluid is changed 1 or 0 times depending on model year.

Difficulty to replace Saturn S-Series air filter: As easy as popping 4 spring clips.

EPA fuel economy rating for Saturn S-Series: As high as 40 MPG when equipped with the SOHC engine and manual transmission, surpassed by very few gasoline powered vehicles today 20 years later.

Availability of Saturn S-Series safety features: Air bags added in 1992 model year for driver, standard in 1993 model year. Air bags for front passenger, standard in 1995 model year. Anti-lock brakes optional. Traction control optional. Daytime running lights, standard for all but one model in 1995 model year and standard for all in 1996 model year. Alarm added in 1997 model year. Head curtain air bags optional in 2000 model year.

"Luxury" features for Saturn S-Series: Leather wrapped steering wheels for all coupes with DOHC engine. Leather seating, leather wrapped gear shift knob, leather wrapped parking brake handle, leather wrapped steering wheel optional for most models starting with 1992 model year. Radios with equalizers and CD players optional. Fog lights, power sunroof, alloy wheels, power windows, power mirrors, power door locks, remote keyless entry FOBs all optional or standard.

Worry that others bought the same Saturn S-Series car for less: Zero as they were sold at fixed prices in a relaxed setting and everybody got ripped off equally.

There are probably more reasons why approximately 2.5 million Saturn S-Series vehicles were produced and sold, but they are escaping me at the moment. Low air drag coefficients, stainless steel T-409 exhaust systems, low insurance premiums, low octane gasoline requirements, common oil weights, and two "homecoming events" come to mind...

FWIW I've been driving the same Saturn S-Series car for 18 years, have almost 200K miles, and my list of repairs/replacement is much shorter than The Critic's list.
 
Nice list David S.
Safe to say you are a fan of the brand.
I'm more a fan of the S-series than the Saturn name. Once the S was killed off in 2002, the brand did nothing for me. I will be driving my S as long as I can (and looking to buy a 2000 SW2 shortly)
 
The truth is 1996 is a pretty old car and at the design life. You should expect far more repairs due to age.

I recall my 1995 Honda Civic at 6 years old 150k miles required a new exhaust, radiator, some sort of clutch part(something metal that holds the wear item), front set of brakes, and timing belt. From 150k on it had really no repairs(except front/rear brakes) till 220k miles and 9 years old when I simply tired of it and sold. However I the engine was running hot and I think either water pump was failing or aftermarket radiator had failed.
 
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That is a good bit of stuff. My Jeep is at 107,800 now, and hasn't been too bad. It left the PO stranded once when the radiator went suddenly, but that's it for catastrophic failures.

It's needed the following to get here:

  • 2 radiators (first at 96k, second one 3 weeks ago, first was a cheap replacement by the PO)
  • Plenum gasket at 105k
  • Water pump at 105k
  • Front Shocks (rears are original)
  • Electric cooling fan at 96k
  • Both serp belt idler pulleys (upper one replaced at 103k due to noise, tensioner pulley was preventative)
  • General wear/maintenance items (belts, brakes, tires, tune-up parts, hoses, all replaced before failure)


I'm pretty sure that's about it for any significant work. Anything I'm forgetting was minor. Also, none of the failure except the first radiator left me or the PO stranded. With the exception of the water pump, none of them were even bad enough to need to park it until I could fix it.

Then again, those Saturns aren't exactly considered the best of vehicles, so one that runs well and consumes less than 1qt / 1k miles at 150k isn't bad at all.
 
Congrats on the 150k. Best to get a car you like,maintain it,and drive it till it drops. 109k bass boat towing miles on my 02 Accord V6. Bought it new. Routine maintenance with the exception of 2 motor mounts. Best to change the plugs before 105k. Changed 'em at 92k and 2 of them were a little tight.
 
I've been telling ya for some time now mike, get rid of that junker.
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Sounds like my cavalier. Though I didn't need a rad, and my alternator lasted till 130k miles...
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I've been telling ya for some time now mike, get rid of that junker.
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Sounds like my cavalier. Though I didn't need a rad, and my alternator lasted till 130k miles...


Some of us don't have parents that co-sign on new car loans.
 
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I've been telling ya for some time now mike, get rid of that junker.
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Sounds like my cavalier. Though I didn't need a rad, and my alternator lasted till 130k miles...


Some of us don't have parents that co-sign on new car loans.


Critic's parents just got a new altima this year. I doubt they would want to cosign and have two possible car payments if critic forgets to pay a new car note
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Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I've been telling ya for some time now mike, get rid of that junker.
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Sounds like my cavalier. Though I didn't need a rad, and my alternator lasted till 130k miles...


Some of us don't have parents that co-sign on new car loans.


Critic's parents just got a new altima this year. I doubt they would want to cosign and have two possible car payments if critic forgets to pay a new car note
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The Altima was not financed.
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Hate to say that looks like a bit much.. especially for a CA car. My aunt didn't have near the number of problems on her Saturn. You must of the have Monday or Friday car. Our Festiva's, even dad's with 217k, have had nothing but maintenance items.. and some of those probably didn't need to be done. Well perhaps mine is the exception but all of it's problems were created by the PIs (previous idiots).
 
150k is a lot of motoring in a saturn. This is coming from someone who drives an Ion, which is a newer and more refined car (supposedly), than the S series.

My Ion has around 70k miles on it, and those miles are just hard on your body. Yes they are cheap, but you grow a great appreciation for just about ANYTHING else.

The newer 4 cylinder cars from all the manufacturers that I can think of are trouble free (Cobalt, Civic, Corolla, you name it).

These things are basically appliances, that require VERY LITTLE service. The S series was too early to fall into this quality class. GM was still doing odd things, and the quality wasn't quite there.

At 70k, everything done to my Saturn has been the result of rust and the harsh weather. I have the maintenance book in the trunk, but everything I have done to this car has been a wear item, or 3 sets of brake rotors rusting out due to harsh weather.

If I lived in california, the service on a ion/cobalt would be almost nothing. There are quite a few people at my work who drive cobalts, and they don't even lift the hood ever. The computer says when to take the car in for oil change service, and that is about it.
 
My 2001 Saturn SL is at 125,465 miles as of today:

Replaced items (except air filters, fuel filter, spark plugs/wires, tires, bulbs, brake fluid/brake pads/rotors, serpentine belt, oil and oil filters):

- Side rear-view mirror (side-swiped when parked) (35k)
- Battery (80k)
- Clutch (96k)
- ECTS Sensor (100k) (~$5)
- Rear exhaust hanger (110k) (~$20)
- Throttle position sensor (110k) (~$10)
- Intake manifold gasket (causing misfire on cyl #1) (120k) (~$400)

Except the intake manifold gasket failure (from a drunk robot on the assembly line), it has been relatively trouble free and repairs have been cheap. *knocks on plastic*

I have cleaned the throttle body, bower motor (noisy) etc too.

My only gripe as of late is an annoying clicking sound from the steering column when driving on the highway and the rotors keep warping (From hubs needing replacement?) I am also suspecting that one of my wheel bearings is going south. My car can use an engine mount (shot) and new bushings too.

I get 35mpg average.
 
Knowing Critic myself, I think a lot of the repair is "keeping up with perfection".

However head gasket, heater core, and cruise control shouldn't die so early. Those should last well into the 200k.
 
Sort of Off Topic:
What is the best weight/type of oil for the Saturn S series?
I bought a 2002 SL1 5 speed last year (with 77K) and I haven't even registered it yet. Now that gas is heading upwards it might be a good time.
I've heard that the oil burning issue was mostly solved by 2002.
Does this motor like thinner or thicker oils?
 
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