I would love to get a sticker like that. I have a 92 Corolla that I keep on driving. When something beside brake, engine, or transmission go wrong, I resort to duct tape, grease, and zip ties first and pro-long the useful life out of such parts before replacement. Sometime it's a fix and sometime it's a patch. Since most people would throw cars at this age away, I consider myself greener than those stupid hybrid owners that dump their perfectly fine automobile for something that probably would destroy the environment when its useful life is up. What's worst is that my Corolla gets almost as good gas mileage as the Prius and Civic Hybrid on highway with its 35 mpg doing 70 mph. I believe the Civic Hybrid gets about 40 mpg and the Prius gets 42. Of course, most hybrid owners driver faster so their gas mileage would get 1-2 unit lower.
My Corolla is greener than your Hybrid
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Someone over at the diesel forum claims "A 123 or 201 diesel will have a comparable life cycle carbon footprint to a prius, but the smug footprint is definatelly smaller."
Given the study sometime back that showed the carbon footprint of a hummer being lower than the prius, I don't doubt that your comment is correct.
Just a paint job for a new car puts out all sorts of nasties, let alone anything else...
Doesnt make a prius a bad option for some, in certain use profiles...
Given the study sometime back that showed the carbon footprint of a hummer being lower than the prius, I don't doubt that your comment is correct.
Just a paint job for a new car puts out all sorts of nasties, let alone anything else...
Doesnt make a prius a bad option for some, in certain use profiles...
dont forgot the process it takes to produce one of those hybrid batteries!
Originally Posted By: prax
I wouldn't be too sure about that.
Your corolla might have higher mpg, but probably puts out more emissions.
[censored]. Higher mpg is now NOT neccessary a good thing??? I am sure emmission is roughly the same since Toyota and Honda were way ahead of their time in create low emission vehicle. My Corolla also don't endure jack rabbit starts like the Prius whose owners insist on speeding up real fast only to ride their brake later. They think riding their brake is cool but most of them barely use the vehicle in ways that make best use of that battery engine.
I am going to write "My Corolla is GREENER than your runaway Prius" in automatic chalk on my back windshield. That oughty put those greenie's in their place. A Prius reminds me of BMW 1 series that people buy just so they can call themselves Bimmer owners and act arrogantly because they drive european. My wonder if I should add the 'runaway' in there as that could be considered poor taste.
I wouldn't be too sure about that.
Your corolla might have higher mpg, but probably puts out more emissions.
[censored]. Higher mpg is now NOT neccessary a good thing??? I am sure emmission is roughly the same since Toyota and Honda were way ahead of their time in create low emission vehicle. My Corolla also don't endure jack rabbit starts like the Prius whose owners insist on speeding up real fast only to ride their brake later. They think riding their brake is cool but most of them barely use the vehicle in ways that make best use of that battery engine.
I am going to write "My Corolla is GREENER than your runaway Prius" in automatic chalk on my back windshield. That oughty put those greenie's in their place. A Prius reminds me of BMW 1 series that people buy just so they can call themselves Bimmer owners and act arrogantly because they drive european. My wonder if I should add the 'runaway' in there as that could be considered poor taste.
Depending on the year, it's probably true, a 1990's car was allowed by the EPA to emit more emissions than a 2010 model.
Carbon emissions are a product of fuel economy and are likely the same.
However, the standards for an early 1990's car is less strict when it comes to unburned HC's, CO (not CO2, CO) and NOX compared to a 2010 model.
I believe 1994 to 2003 was EPA tier 1 emissions standards, and 2004-2009 was tier 2. I've not yet found a listing of what those standards are.
I believe pre 1994 is far more dirty as far as what comes out of the tail pipe compared to today with respect to HC, NOX and CO
Carbon emissions are a product of fuel economy and are likely the same.
However, the standards for an early 1990's car is less strict when it comes to unburned HC's, CO (not CO2, CO) and NOX compared to a 2010 model.
I believe 1994 to 2003 was EPA tier 1 emissions standards, and 2004-2009 was tier 2. I've not yet found a listing of what those standards are.
I believe pre 1994 is far more dirty as far as what comes out of the tail pipe compared to today with respect to HC, NOX and CO
My corporate car is a Prius. I probably wouldn't buy a hybrid for my personal car but if I did, it would have nothing to do with any perception of greenness. It would be from my desire to send the least possible amount of my money to terrorist sponsoring states in the middle east.
I do agree with the OP's sentiment. I've gotten into similar arguments regarding my house. I have a 120 year old home that uses a considerable amount of gas in the winter and electricity in the summer to keep it a reasonable temperature. It might not be energy efficient in that regard but if you consider that all of the energy used to fire the brick, make the plaster, and cut down the trees all happened over a hundred years ago, it might be somewhat greener than someone going out and building a new house.
I do agree with the OP's sentiment. I've gotten into similar arguments regarding my house. I have a 120 year old home that uses a considerable amount of gas in the winter and electricity in the summer to keep it a reasonable temperature. It might not be energy efficient in that regard but if you consider that all of the energy used to fire the brick, make the plaster, and cut down the trees all happened over a hundred years ago, it might be somewhat greener than someone going out and building a new house.
If you get parts for your car during your commute, fix it yourself in your driveway, you are also saving the fuel, tire wear etc of going to the mechanic. Pull it yourself junkyard parts are the greenest of course.
Whatever cars were traded on priusses are probably still on the road. Hopefully if they were gas guzzling trucks they're someone's second vehicle getting driven 1000 miles a year.
Whatever cars were traded on priusses are probably still on the road. Hopefully if they were gas guzzling trucks they're someone's second vehicle getting driven 1000 miles a year.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Given the study sometime back that showed the carbon footprint of a hummer being lower than the prius, I don't doubt that your comment is correct.
Someone always brings up completely ridiculous "study" about a Hummer being greener than a Prius. That whole study is based on one HUGE and ridiculous assumption. They said "Lets assume that the Hummer lasts 35 years and 379,000 miles
and lets assume the Prius lasts 12 years and 109,000 miles (again:
)"
Uhh, excuse me, WHERE the he** did they come up with those ridiculous figures? They refuse to say how they came up with them.
If you adjust those numbers to much more REALISTIC figures, the Prius comes out waay ahead.
That whole "study" has been laughed at all over the internet. (again:
)
Given the study sometime back that showed the carbon footprint of a hummer being lower than the prius, I don't doubt that your comment is correct.
Uhh, excuse me, WHERE the he** did they come up with those ridiculous figures? They refuse to say how they came up with them.
If you adjust those numbers to much more REALISTIC figures, the Prius comes out waay ahead.
That whole "study" has been laughed at all over the internet. (again:
Originally Posted By: M1Accord
I would love to get a sticker like that. I have a 92 Corolla that I keep on driving. When something beside brake, engine, or transmission go wrong, I resort to duct tape, grease, and zip ties first and pro-long the useful life out of such parts before replacement. Sometime it's a fix and sometime it's a patch. Since most people would throw cars at this age away, I consider myself greener than those stupid hybrid owners that dump their perfectly fine automobile for something that probably would destroy the environment when its useful life is up. What's worst is that my Corolla gets almost as good gas mileage as the Prius and Civic Hybrid on highway with its 35 mpg doing 70 mph. I believe the Civic Hybrid gets about 40 mpg and the Prius gets 42. Of course, most hybrid owners driver faster so their gas mileage would get 1-2 unit lower.
How do you know if someone threw their previous car away? Maybe their previous car was totaled in an accident. Maybe they used to have a Corolla like yours and ran it to 500k miles before junking it and buying a Prius.
Also, good job assuming most hybrid drivers go over 70 mph. Around here they most of them drive no more than 65.
I would love to get a sticker like that. I have a 92 Corolla that I keep on driving. When something beside brake, engine, or transmission go wrong, I resort to duct tape, grease, and zip ties first and pro-long the useful life out of such parts before replacement. Sometime it's a fix and sometime it's a patch. Since most people would throw cars at this age away, I consider myself greener than those stupid hybrid owners that dump their perfectly fine automobile for something that probably would destroy the environment when its useful life is up. What's worst is that my Corolla gets almost as good gas mileage as the Prius and Civic Hybrid on highway with its 35 mpg doing 70 mph. I believe the Civic Hybrid gets about 40 mpg and the Prius gets 42. Of course, most hybrid owners driver faster so their gas mileage would get 1-2 unit lower.
How do you know if someone threw their previous car away? Maybe their previous car was totaled in an accident. Maybe they used to have a Corolla like yours and ran it to 500k miles before junking it and buying a Prius.
Also, good job assuming most hybrid drivers go over 70 mph. Around here they most of them drive no more than 65.
That's highway MPG's. The real edge a hybrid has over a gas burner is city driving. Compare your Corolla to a Prius in stoplight traffic and then get back with me.
My Jeep is greener than any Corolla or Hybrid. Over the years, It's pulled out countless abandoned vehicles, cleaned up thousands of tires, I have no idea how many tons of trash it's hauled, built hiking trails, equestrian trails, worked with Adopt a Highway in Massachusetts, and been in parades.
There's more than one way to be green.
There's more than one way to be green.
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Given the study sometime back that showed the carbon footprint of a hummer being lower than the prius, I don't doubt that your comment is correct.
Someone always brings up completely ridiculous "study" about a Hummer being greener than a Prius. That whole study is based on one HUGE and ridiculous assumption. They said "Lets assume that the Hummer lasts 35 years and 379,000 miles
and lets assume the Prius lasts 12 years and 109,000 miles (again:
)"
Uhh, excuse me, WHERE the he** did they come up with those ridiculous figures? They refuse to say how they came up with them.
If you adjust those numbers to much more REALISTIC figures, the Prius comes out waay ahead.
That whole "study" has been laughed at all over the internet. (again:
)
As absurd as this comparison was, it brings a valid point, the longer you own the car, the better it is for the environment. Which goes totally against what media and greenies are saying i.e dump whatever you are driving now, as it hurts the Earth, and buy a brand new, Earth saving, hybrid.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Given the study sometime back that showed the carbon footprint of a hummer being lower than the prius, I don't doubt that your comment is correct.
Uhh, excuse me, WHERE the he** did they come up with those ridiculous figures? They refuse to say how they came up with them.
If you adjust those numbers to much more REALISTIC figures, the Prius comes out waay ahead.
That whole "study" has been laughed at all over the internet. (again:
As absurd as this comparison was, it brings a valid point, the longer you own the car, the better it is for the environment. Which goes totally against what media and greenies are saying i.e dump whatever you are driving now, as it hurts the Earth, and buy a brand new, Earth saving, hybrid.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
My Jeep is greener than any Corolla or Hybrid. Over the years, It's pulled out countless abandoned vehicles, cleaned up thousands of tires, I have no idea how many tons of trash it's hauled, built hiking trails, equestrian trails, worked with Adopt a Highway in Massachusetts, and been in parades.
There's more than one way to be green.
My FILs 1 ton 12 mpg contractor van has helped install thousands of low E replacement windows and insulation.
My Jeep is greener than any Corolla or Hybrid. Over the years, It's pulled out countless abandoned vehicles, cleaned up thousands of tires, I have no idea how many tons of trash it's hauled, built hiking trails, equestrian trails, worked with Adopt a Highway in Massachusetts, and been in parades.
There's more than one way to be green.
My FILs 1 ton 12 mpg contractor van has helped install thousands of low E replacement windows and insulation.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
My FILs 1 ton 12 mpg contractor van has helped install thousands of low E replacement windows and insulation.
Way to go green, my friend. ...and make some green too.
My FILs 1 ton 12 mpg contractor van has helped install thousands of low E replacement windows and insulation.
Way to go green, my friend. ...and make some green too.
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Given the study sometime back that showed the carbon footprint of a hummer being lower than the prius, I don't doubt that your comment is correct.
Someone always brings up completely ridiculous "study" about a Hummer being greener than a Prius. That whole study is based on one HUGE and ridiculous assumption. They said "Lets assume that the Hummer lasts 35 years and 379,000 miles
and lets assume the Prius lasts 12 years and 109,000 miles (again:
)"
Uhh, excuse me, WHERE the he** did they come up with those ridiculous figures? They refuse to say how they came up with them.
If you adjust those numbers to much more REALISTIC figures, the Prius comes out waay ahead.
That whole "study" has been laughed at all over the internet. (again:
)
Exactly. It was ridiculous. It is the work of the infamous Art SPINella, a for-hire propagandist who is paid, among other things, to attack the hybrid concept any way he can. I think that SPINella's absurd assumptions amount to some of the best evidence in support of the hybrid concept. If this is all he can muster, well, that's pretty pathetic. . .
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Given the study sometime back that showed the carbon footprint of a hummer being lower than the prius, I don't doubt that your comment is correct.
Uhh, excuse me, WHERE the he** did they come up with those ridiculous figures? They refuse to say how they came up with them.
If you adjust those numbers to much more REALISTIC figures, the Prius comes out waay ahead.
That whole "study" has been laughed at all over the internet. (again:
Exactly. It was ridiculous. It is the work of the infamous Art SPINella, a for-hire propagandist who is paid, among other things, to attack the hybrid concept any way he can. I think that SPINella's absurd assumptions amount to some of the best evidence in support of the hybrid concept. If this is all he can muster, well, that's pretty pathetic. . .
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
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As absurd as this comparison was, it brings a valid point, the longer you own the car, the better it is for the environment. Which goes totally against what media and greenies are saying i.e dump whatever you are driving now, as it hurts the Earth, and buy a brand new, Earth saving, hybrid.
If only that's what most of us who support the concept were saying. Most of us are not. Whether a hybrid vehicle (really ANY replacement vehicle) is clean, green, or sensible, must in every instance be examined with respect to the particular purchaser, and his or her operating conditions and circumstances.
If you own an old, paid-for, mechanically sound Corolla (or Civic, or Sentra, or Cobalt), getting rid of that car just to have a hybrid is economically and environmentally unsound. Of course, if you just want one, well why not... Let's see someone "justify" the ownership of a Corvette or 370Z.
By contrast, if you're putting a lot of miles on a guzzler, well then for you, a comparable hybrid may make a lot of sense.
Broad, blanket statements about the worth (or lack thereof) of hybrids (or any other vehicle) are, for the most part, worthless propaganda. Only after one examines his or her own situation can the value of the hybrid concept be meaningfully described, for that individual.
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As absurd as this comparison was, it brings a valid point, the longer you own the car, the better it is for the environment. Which goes totally against what media and greenies are saying i.e dump whatever you are driving now, as it hurts the Earth, and buy a brand new, Earth saving, hybrid.
If only that's what most of us who support the concept were saying. Most of us are not. Whether a hybrid vehicle (really ANY replacement vehicle) is clean, green, or sensible, must in every instance be examined with respect to the particular purchaser, and his or her operating conditions and circumstances.
If you own an old, paid-for, mechanically sound Corolla (or Civic, or Sentra, or Cobalt), getting rid of that car just to have a hybrid is economically and environmentally unsound. Of course, if you just want one, well why not... Let's see someone "justify" the ownership of a Corvette or 370Z.
By contrast, if you're putting a lot of miles on a guzzler, well then for you, a comparable hybrid may make a lot of sense.
Broad, blanket statements about the worth (or lack thereof) of hybrids (or any other vehicle) are, for the most part, worthless propaganda. Only after one examines his or her own situation can the value of the hybrid concept be meaningfully described, for that individual.
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