More thuggery in the NFL, Beckham not ejected?

[BreakerBreaker]

I think the NFL needs this kind of media to command the hundreds of millions of dollars they churn and burn. It's a money machine.

Everyone has a favorite team, it sells TV sets on Cyber Monday not Black Friday, and it's just money money money.

Big boy toys.

 

[spasm3]

I really don't watch professional sports as they all seem to end up like the WWF. These controversies create interest in some people and may increase viewers, kind of like the hockey fights.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Just more proof that the NFL is a joke.


What does that say about the people who sit around and watch it?


Some of us are older and have been watching the NFL since we were kids. There hasn't always been this "thug" mentality in the NFL. Believe it or not, players in the NFL used to conduct themselves in a professional manner. They used to respect each other. Now we have this. With the fall of our society, so goes the game...and it's not just the NFL that's been taken over by the thug mentality, it also basketball and baseball too (and pretty much any sport with black athletes)...those of us who love the game have nowhere else to turn...and I'm sorry, because someone is going to bring it up, but college and high school football, while fun to watch, is just not the same as the pros...

That's complete [censored]. I remember Joe Green body slamming a QB and I remember Jim McMannon from the Bears getting slammed. Both of those effected the career of the QB. Bill Romanoski spit in the face of a player. Let me do research, and I'm sure I could come up with a list of thug like behavior from the 70s and 80s. Football is an emotional and physical game.

What's funny, is there was a thread from a year or so ago calling Richard Sherman a thug for trash talking. Call me crazy, but the definition of thug keeps changing........


I'm talking about way back, like 50s and 60s...football has always been a violent game, but at least back then, they kept it between the whistles. You rarely saw guys fighting and carrying on long after the play ended like these guys today do...they would've been ejected from the game if they had...and no matter how dirty these guys were during the game, they always shook hands with each other after the game....do you think Beckham and Norman shook hands after the game? Yes, some things were much better back in the day and football is one of those things...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Deacon Jones, **** Butkus Jack Lambert, Jack Tatum, Conrad Dobler, Lyle Alzado, Matt Millen, Chuck Cecil, Jack Youngblood, Alex Karras, Randy White, and Ray Nischke are


Looks like you have a racial agenda right there...


You apparently don't know what the word "racist" means...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Originally Posted By: grampi

Some of us are older and have been watching the NFL since we were kids. There hasn't always been this "thug" mentality in the NFL. Believe it or not, players in the NFL used to conduct themselves in a professional manner. They used to respect each other. Now we have this. With the fall of our society, so goes the game...and it's not just the NFL that's been taken over by the thug mentality, it also basketball and baseball too (and pretty much any sport with black athletes)...those of us who love the game have nowhere else to turn...and I'm sorry, because someone is going to bring it up, but college and high school football, while fun to watch, is just not the same as the pros...


Nothing like a romantic racist rant to start your day.


When someone makes a true statement you don't like, that doesn't make it a racist statement...

 

[yeti]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Deacon Jones, **** Butkus Jack Lambert, Jack Tatum, Conrad Dobler, Lyle Alzado, Matt Millen, Chuck Cecil, Jack Youngblood, Alex Karras, Randy White, and Ray Nischke are


Looks like you have a racial agenda right there...


You apparently don't know what the word "racist" means...



this.


this is funny. I don't understand how this is racist.

there are a few here who make stupid comments about others/their comments being racist, when they're not.what the heck is going on with you people ?
don't agree with a comment/opinion -- you're racist.it's getting worse, the last few months.
oh well-- the board is still evolving. sorry if 'evolving' offends someone -- or is that racist?

you racist mongers (when no racism is involved -- which is most of the time) are entertaining/funny, so keep up the good work.


antique -- many here still don't understand that you get off on stirring up feces with your posts/threads.it's likely that you sit back, with your "mouse" in hand, and lol about the responses to your posts.you are THE best at inciting peed-off-people replies. they just don't get it.I salute you, and love your threads/posts. make sure to clean off your mouse, from time to time.have a good day.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: yeti

this.
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you racist mongers (when no racism is involved -- which is most of the time) are entertaining/funny, so keep up the good work.

Remember the most noble Jesse Jackson has many many offspring out there

 

[greenjp]

Originally Posted By: grampi
I'm talking about way back, like 50s and 60s...football has always been a violent game, but at least back then, they kept it between the whistles. You rarely saw guys fighting and carrying on long after the play ended like these guys today do...they would've been ejected from the game if they had...and no matter how dirty these guys were during the game, they always shook hands with each other after the game....do you think Beckham and Norman shook hands after the game? Yes, some things were much better back in the day and football is one of those things...

grampi now you are just straight up making things up, old-man poppycock style. The stories of the old days, when guys would bite and eye gouge each other in pileups are legendary. Recent talk is that due to free agency, players on opposing teams are less likely to have animosity towards each other since they've probably been or will be teammates in the future.

And have you even watched an NFL game in the last decade? Without fail, at the conclusion of every single game, the players and coaches go out on the field, shake hands, hug, talk, slap backsides, a bunch of them form a prayer circle and kneel at the center of the field, etc. Sure some of the guys probably don't like each other but that's going to happen in any group of 100+ people.

And btw, your theory about the implications of the racial makeup of each sports' atheletes is sorta blown up by the fact that the only sport that has historically institutionalized fighting is the one that's almost 100% white (hockey).
jeff

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: greenjp
Originally Posted By: grampi
I'm talking about way back, like 50s and 60s...football has always been a violent game, but at least back then, they kept it between the whistles. You rarely saw guys fighting and carrying on long after the play ended like these guys today do...they would've been ejected from the game if they had...and no matter how dirty these guys were during the game, they always shook hands with each other after the game....do you think Beckham and Norman shook hands after the game? Yes, some things were much better back in the day and football is one of those things...

grampi now you are just straight up making things up, old-man poppycock style. The stories of the old days, when guys would bite and eye gouge each other in pileups are legendary. Recent talk is that due to free agency, players on opposing teams are less likely to have animosity towards each other since they've probably been or will be teammates in the future.

And have you even watched an NFL game in the last decade? Without fail, at the conclusion of every single game, the players and coaches go out on the field, shake hands, hug, talk, slap backsides, a bunch of them form a prayer circle and kneel at the center of the field, etc. Sure some of the guys probably don't like each other but that's going to happen in any group of 100+ people.

And btw, your theory about the implications of the racial makeup of each sports' atheletes is sorta blown up by the fact that the only sport that has historically institutionalized fighting is the one that's almost 100% white (hockey).
jeff


I've been watching football for more decades than you've been alive...it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about...I will ask the question again, do you think Beckham and Norman shook hands after the game?

 

[qwerty1234]

Grampi, weather you agree or not the world has changed. Gay rights, police accountability, cultural sensitivity, criminal rights, ect, these are all here to stay. Interestingly enough, I think most people (maybe not here though) are okay with the new direction.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
Grampi, weather you agree or not the world has changed. Gay rights, police accountability, cultural sensitivity, criminal rights, ect, these are all here to stay. Interestingly enough, I think most people (maybe not here though) are okay with the new direction.


I disagree that most that most people are okay with the new direction...I would say it's just the opposite...

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: grampi


I've been watching football for more decades than you've been alive...it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about...I will ask the question again, do you think Beckham and Norman shook hands after the game?


Correct grampi, while that is before my time my Dad can recall how professional sports operated back then and he concurs with you, things were much more civil back then overall. These guys that claim you are lying weren't around then and have an agenda all their own.

I know that even coaches like **** Vermeil (who coached the Phil Eagles until the early 80s) commented on the fact that back when he was coaching the players would take instruction from the head coach without back talk or complaint, and yes on many occasions the coach would discipline those players when they needed it themselves, he mentioned that during the 90s and beyond there is NO way you can truly be the same kind of effective coach now that you could during until the 80s, you would have the players either attacking the coach or crying and whining about how they were not being treated with "respect".

 

[greenjp]

Originally Posted By: grampi
I've been watching football for more decades than you've been alive...it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about...I will ask the question again, do you think Beckham and Norman shook hands after the game?

A fallacious appeal to authority is even weaker when you don't actually address the points the other person is making.

Paragraph 3 sentence 2 of my post stipulates that there are bound to be some players that do not like each other, so yeah sure maybe those guys didn't shake hands. A single cherry picked example proves nothing. If you don't think there were guys back in the old days who didn't shake certain people's hands I'd say you are naive - you are romanticizing the past.

So I think your assertion that "no matter how dirty these guys were during the game, they always shook hands with each other after the game" is false (unless you were a player, coach, or beat reporter you wouldn't even have first hand knowledge of it), and even if it were somehow true it is a pretty silly commentary on sportsmanship. A post-game handshake somehow means things were "better" even if the person giving it is a dirty player? When I play sports I'd much rather the guy play it square and not shake my hand than play dirty and give me a disingenuous handshake after the game.

jeff

 

[turtlevette]

I for one am tired of defensive back intimidation of receivers with brutal spearing hits. I believe offensive players should give them some of their own medicine. We can't keep receivers healthy because of the hits they take. Gronk trys to deal out some punishment buts gets unfairly called for it.

Oh and its incredulous that there are a few here that want to blame all societys ills on people of color. They want to get back to the good ole days? The good ole days when people were working 80 hours for slave wages and no one had any rights save for the rich?

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: greenjp
Originally Posted By: grampi
I've been watching football for more decades than you've been alive...it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about...I will ask the question again, do you think Beckham and Norman shook hands after the game?

A fallacious appeal to authority is even weaker when you don't actually address the points the other person is making.

Paragraph 3 sentence 2 of my post stipulates that there are bound to be some players that do not like each other, so yeah sure maybe those guys didn't shake hands. A single cherry picked example proves nothing. If you don't think there were guys back in the old days who didn't shake certain people's hands I'd say you are naive - you are romanticizing the past.

So I think your assertion that "no matter how dirty these guys were during the game, they always shook hands with each other after the game" is false (unless you were a player, coach, or beat reporter you wouldn't even have first hand knowledge of it), and even if it were somehow true it is a pretty silly commentary on sportsmanship. A post-game handshake somehow means things were "better" even if the person giving it is a dirty player? When I play sports I'd much rather the guy play it square and not shake my hand than play dirty and give me a disingenuous handshake after the game.

jeff


You sound like you're preparing your case for court! Lol! I'm not wasting my time arguing about this any longer. I know what I've seen, and what I see now and I can tell you without question the mentality of the players today is vastly different than that of those from years gone by, and it hasn't changed for the better...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Oh and its incredulous that there are a few here that want to blame all societys ills on people of color.


You're painting with a pretty broad brush there. I don't recall anyone claiming people of color are responsible for all society's ills, however, the thug mentality that's so prevalent in today's sporting world has changed things for the worse...and if you can't see that then you aren't looking...

 

[greenjp]

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
I for one am tired of defensive back intimidation of receivers with brutal spearing hits. I believe offensive players should give them some of their own medicine. We can't keep receivers healthy because of the hits they take. Gronk trys to deal out some punishment buts gets unfairly called for it.

Well there are penalties both for hitting with the crown of the helmet, hitting the other opponent in the head, and for "hitting a defenseless receiver" so I'm not sure what else you'd like to see. Stiffer penalties?

jeff

 

[gman2304]

Plain and simple, the officials let this game get out of hand early.

 

[wemay]

Some real winners in this thread.