Moly vs Boron

[SHAMUS]

They are both anti-wear, with moly having been around the longest (?), but cost aside, does anyone know if one is "better" at its job than the other? (Is it boron or borate?)

 

[buster]

I don't know. Redline seems to prefer moly. There are many ways to make a good oil with different components and additives. Why do you ask? Both are used for different purposes too.

 

[Pablo]

Some good stuff here:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/additives-xii-multifunctional-additives.41173/

Look for mola's other question posts as well.

 

[JAG]

Boron can be a part of additives that perform several different functions. It's not correct to say it's only for anti-wear. All you see of it in a UOA is boron element concentration. We can't say what it's purpose is because we'd need to know what molecules it is part of.

If you read enough patents mentioning boron-containing crankcase additives and read R.T. Vanderbilt's literature on their boron-containing additives, you will see what I mean.

 

[modularv8]

Here is some information I posted a little while back. I read a study explaining the different AW/EP agents and it seems the Boron compounds are much more effective because of their physico-molecular properties while operatin under conditions found in engines. They also form "frictionless" plates similar to graphite that are bonded to metal surfaces. More 'high-tech' chemisty than Moly but can be expensive depending on the form it takes. Mostly seen high numbers in MC 5w20 and Penn YB. Maybe that's why they perform so well.

http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/News/2007/ES070803.pdf

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...394#Post1668394

 

[chevrofreak]

I think Moly and Boron should be combined into one additive called Moron.

 

[JohnBrowning]

Well when have seen more then 150PPM of Boron in anything? If ever we say a lot of it in something maybe we could get a better handle on it!

 

[jmac]

Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
Well when have seen more then 150PPM of Boron in anything? If ever we say a lot of it in something maybe we could get a better handle on it!


JB,
Here is one, http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...;gonew=1#UNREAD
another, https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mobil-1-0w40-purchased-in-belgium-virgin-sample.108927/
another, https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mobil-1-0w40-purchased-in-belgium-virgin-sample.108927/
one more, https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/m1-hm-10w-30.85975/
one more, https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/conoco-phillips-point-premier-bulk-5w30.106365/
and another, https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/motorcraft-5w-20.89395/
Note the last two

Note the Cenex, Citgo, HD, John Deere, Motorex oils here, https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/voas-a-whole-bunch.35869/

 

[Tom NJ]

Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
I think Moly and Boron should be combined into one additive called Moron.

 

[Paul2007]

Just think how popular it would be if sold as a stand alone product. It "could " be a "gift" for your favorite politician or radio talking head.

 

[jmac]

and here is yet another one:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...;gonew=1#UNREAD