The box says 99.2% multi-pass efficient (@ 20 microns I believe). I believe OEM-quality filters (e.g. Motorcraft) are around 89% multi-pass efficient. Someone claimed the 100% paper Supertech filter equal to the M1 filter??? What do we know the differences to be?
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Originally Posted By: OilGuy
The box says 99.2% multi-pass efficient (@ 20 microns I believe). I believe OEM-quality filters (e.g. Motorcraft) are around 89% multi-pass efficient. Someone claimed the 100% paper Supertech filter equal to the M1 filter??? What do we know the differences to be?
Since the Mobil 1 filter is essentially a semi-synthetic filter with a price of approximately USD$10, why not spend a little more and get a real synthetic filter (Amsoil EAo)?
The box says 99.2% multi-pass efficient (@ 20 microns I believe). I believe OEM-quality filters (e.g. Motorcraft) are around 89% multi-pass efficient. Someone claimed the 100% paper Supertech filter equal to the M1 filter??? What do we know the differences to be?
Since the Mobil 1 filter is essentially a semi-synthetic filter with a price of approximately USD$10, why not spend a little more and get a real synthetic filter (Amsoil EAo)?
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Originally Posted By: Iain
Since the Mobil 1 filter is essentially a semi-synthetic filter with a price of approximately USD$10, why not spend a little more and get a real synthetic filter (Amsoil EAo)?
Because you can buy the Supertech or Bosch for even less if you dont mind the brand name and because there is no need for a synthetic filter?
Since the Mobil 1 filter is essentially a semi-synthetic filter with a price of approximately USD$10, why not spend a little more and get a real synthetic filter (Amsoil EAo)?
Because you can buy the Supertech or Bosch for even less if you dont mind the brand name and because there is no need for a synthetic filter?
I just bought a few of Amsoil EAo filters baised on another form.
Cost of the amsoil is equal to the M1 I use to run so why not run the amsoil filter.
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/en...r-test-results/
Cost of the amsoil is equal to the M1 I use to run so why not run the amsoil filter.
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/en...r-test-results/
I would just spend the extra money on the synthetic filter. You save, what, maybe $10-20 a year if you have one car?
Is saving that much money really worth it?
Plus, you get extended drain intervals with the Amsoil EaO and I'm sure, though maybe not the same extent, the M1 filter as well.
Is saving that much money really worth it?
Plus, you get extended drain intervals with the Amsoil EaO and I'm sure, though maybe not the same extent, the M1 filter as well.
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The only thing a SuperTech filter has in common with an M1 filter is the manufacturer, Champion Labs. Otherwise, you're looking at econo vs option laden.
I would naturally say upgrade to an EaO if you're willing to leave it on long enough to make it pay in the cost:benefit angle ..slightly indexed for its better filtering capabilities. M1 is in there too ..but not to quite the same level.
I would naturally say upgrade to an EaO if you're willing to leave it on long enough to make it pay in the cost:benefit angle ..slightly indexed for its better filtering capabilities. M1 is in there too ..but not to quite the same level.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
The only thing a SuperTech filter has in common with an M1 filter is the manufacturer, Champion Labs. Otherwise, you're looking at econo vs option laden.
I would naturally say upgrade to an EaO if you're willing to leave it on long enough to make it pay in the cost:benefit angle ..slightly indexed for its better filtering capabilities. M1 is in there too ..but not to quite the same level.
I use an EaO on my Corvette because it's a good filter and because its more domed end and slightly thicker metal makes it less susceptible to damage from road debris. On a C6 Corvette the filter is even with the bottom of the oil pan and not very well protected.
The only thing a SuperTech filter has in common with an M1 filter is the manufacturer, Champion Labs. Otherwise, you're looking at econo vs option laden.
I would naturally say upgrade to an EaO if you're willing to leave it on long enough to make it pay in the cost:benefit angle ..slightly indexed for its better filtering capabilities. M1 is in there too ..but not to quite the same level.
I use an EaO on my Corvette because it's a good filter and because its more domed end and slightly thicker metal makes it less susceptible to damage from road debris. On a C6 Corvette the filter is even with the bottom of the oil pan and not very well protected.
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On a C6 Corvette the filter is even with the bottom of the oil pan and not very well protected.
I wonder where you got the idea for that observation.
On a C6 Corvette the filter is even with the bottom of the oil pan and not very well protected.
I wonder where you got the idea for that observation.
I would love to use a Mobil 1 filter, but finding a M-404 is about like finding Green GC on the shelves...oh well.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
The only thing a SuperTech filter has in common with an M1 filter is the manufacturer, Champion Labs. Otherwise, you're looking at econo vs option laden.
The SuperTech filters have a synthetic or at least semi-synthetic media according to the box and reports from people cutting them open.
The only thing a SuperTech filter has in common with an M1 filter is the manufacturer, Champion Labs. Otherwise, you're looking at econo vs option laden.
The SuperTech filters have a synthetic or at least semi-synthetic media according to the box and reports from people cutting them open.
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On a C6 Corvette the filter is even with the bottom of the oil pan and not very well protected.
I wonder where you got the idea for that observation.
A combination of owning a C6 Corvette and a background in armored vehicle design
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On a C6 Corvette the filter is even with the bottom of the oil pan and not very well protected.
I wonder where you got the idea for that observation.
A combination of owning a C6 Corvette and a background in armored vehicle design
Originally Posted By: UncleRunkle
I would love to use a Mobil 1 filter, but finding a M-404 is about like finding Green GC on the shelves...oh well.
The reason you cant find a M1-404 is because that it not a good number for Mobil 1. If you tell me what you are wanting to get a filter for, I can get a number for you.
I would love to use a Mobil 1 filter, but finding a M-404 is about like finding Green GC on the shelves...oh well.
The reason you cant find a M1-404 is because that it not a good number for Mobil 1. If you tell me what you are wanting to get a filter for, I can get a number for you.
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
The only thing a SuperTech filter has in common with an M1 filter is the manufacturer, Champion Labs. Otherwise, you're looking at econo vs option laden.
The SuperTech filters have a synthetic or at least semi-synthetic media according to the box and reports from people cutting them open.
The boxes to not list the Supertech as having a synthetic media. These are conventional filters and need to be used on moderate length oil changes. The box lists them as high efficiency media, but The media is a high efficiency cellulose paper media.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
The only thing a SuperTech filter has in common with an M1 filter is the manufacturer, Champion Labs. Otherwise, you're looking at econo vs option laden.
The SuperTech filters have a synthetic or at least semi-synthetic media according to the box and reports from people cutting them open.
The boxes to not list the Supertech as having a synthetic media. These are conventional filters and need to be used on moderate length oil changes. The box lists them as high efficiency media, but The media is a high efficiency cellulose paper media.
Originally Posted By: The_Champ
The boxes to not list the Supertech as having a synthetic media. These are conventional filters and need to be used on moderate length oil changes. The box lists them as high efficiency media, but The media is a high efficiency cellulose paper media.
If the SuperTech boxes no longer have the 99% chart on them and say synthetic media than the filter inside has changed from what it used to be. I would imagine the Bosch filters have changed as well then.
The boxes to not list the Supertech as having a synthetic media. These are conventional filters and need to be used on moderate length oil changes. The box lists them as high efficiency media, but The media is a high efficiency cellulose paper media.
If the SuperTech boxes no longer have the 99% chart on them and say synthetic media than the filter inside has changed from what it used to be. I would imagine the Bosch filters have changed as well then.
The filter media has not changed, just because something filters out 99% doesn't mean that it is synthetic. Mobil 1 has a 99.2% at 20 micron, but the 99% of Supertech is going to be at about 25-28 micron. The 99% is a comparison test wit hother conventional brands.
well, i understand that Purolator makes Bosch now, in the US, as Bosch has a controlling interest in the Purolator parent company, that is of course, according to Wikipedia, so take it for whatever that is worth.
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Major brands of oil filters available in the U.S. include FRAM (a Honeywell brand), WIX (an Affinia Group brand), Purolator (a joint venture of MANN+HUMMEL and Bosch)... ...Champion was also a major supplier to Bosch USA until Bosch bought an interest in the Purolator company.
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Major brands of oil filters available in the U.S. include FRAM (a Honeywell brand), WIX (an Affinia Group brand), Purolator (a joint venture of MANN+HUMMEL and Bosch)... ...Champion was also a major supplier to Bosch USA until Bosch bought an interest in the Purolator company.
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