Mobil 1 Extended Performance, High Iron UOAs Also?
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Originally Posted By: Chasse
Comparing Mobil 1 to Mobil 1 EP is like comparing Castrol Syntec to Castrol Edge.
You hit the nail square on the head with that statement!!!
Kuddos!
Comparing Mobil 1 to Mobil 1 EP is like comparing Castrol Syntec to Castrol Edge.
You hit the nail square on the head with that statement!!!
Kuddos!
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Originally Posted By: Chasse
Has there been any used oil analysis (UOAs) done that showed high iron from Mobil 1 EP?
Here you go:
High iron from Mobil 1 EP
Has there been any used oil analysis (UOAs) done that showed high iron from Mobil 1 EP?
Here you go:
High iron from Mobil 1 EP
Originally Posted By: GenSan
Originally Posted By: Chasse
Has there been any used oil analysis (UOAs) done that showed high iron from Mobil 1 EP?
Here you go:
High iron from Mobil 1 EP
*peeks at the UOA* I looked for high Fe numbers and don't see any.
Originally Posted By: Chasse
Has there been any used oil analysis (UOAs) done that showed high iron from Mobil 1 EP?
Here you go:
High iron from Mobil 1 EP
*peeks at the UOA* I looked for high Fe numbers and don't see any.
You aren't wearing your IHM1 Glasses that's why...
IHM1 = I hate Mobil 1
IHM1 = I hate Mobil 1
It bugs me no end to see all of the Mobil 1 UOAs that seem to have high iron. I am no Mobil 1 hater-I have a 5 quart bottle of Mobil 1 HM right now that I am going to use in my Saturn Ion. But if Mobil 1 keeps displaying high iron results (even in the extended use formula) I will use something else. I will use Pennzoil Ultra or Valvoline Synpower.
The complex explanations as to why Mobil 1 displays high iron in UOAs get very tiring after a while. A high iron reading in a UOA troubles me. I am no chemist or oil analysist guy. All I know is that I can use another oil that does not seem to display high iron in UOA samples.
The complex explanations as to why Mobil 1 displays high iron in UOAs get very tiring after a while. A high iron reading in a UOA troubles me. I am no chemist or oil analysist guy. All I know is that I can use another oil that does not seem to display high iron in UOA samples.
Mystic,
No matter what synthetic I use it shows high copper & SI in the UOA's some more than others and virtually none in M1 samples but it's because my gasket material is leaching into the oil causing it.
So with your logic I should only use M1 oil then instead of just leaving it alone and just having confidence to know that is what it is as told to me by Terry Dyson. (Not poking at you just playing devils advocate for a minute).
Well it has been over 250K KM's since I found this out and I haven't just used M1 oils to keep the Copper and SI in my "comfort" zone and the truck runs great, passes emission tests with flying colours, gets better than government posted fuel economy, and is quiet as a mouse with spotless internals so there is a lot to be said for the proper interpretation of the UOA from an experienced party and not just the person who pays for it or else we might all be switching oils thinking we are experts.
Just wanted to offer another consideration for you to think about.
No matter what synthetic I use it shows high copper & SI in the UOA's some more than others and virtually none in M1 samples but it's because my gasket material is leaching into the oil causing it.
So with your logic I should only use M1 oil then instead of just leaving it alone and just having confidence to know that is what it is as told to me by Terry Dyson. (Not poking at you just playing devils advocate for a minute).
Well it has been over 250K KM's since I found this out and I haven't just used M1 oils to keep the Copper and SI in my "comfort" zone and the truck runs great, passes emission tests with flying colours, gets better than government posted fuel economy, and is quiet as a mouse with spotless internals so there is a lot to be said for the proper interpretation of the UOA from an experienced party and not just the person who pays for it or else we might all be switching oils thinking we are experts.
Just wanted to offer another consideration for you to think about.
Well, it goes beyond all of that also. Valvoline was claiming that Valvoline Synpower has lower wear than Mobil 1. The Valvoline people ARE oil experts. I think Castrol was openly claining less wear also. Is the advertising by these people dishonest?
Something is wrong here. Are Castrol Edge and Valvoline Synpower and Pennzoil Ultra superior to Mobil 1?
Something is wrong here. Are Castrol Edge and Valvoline Synpower and Pennzoil Ultra superior to Mobil 1?
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Mystic, the key question to ask, the logical analysis many lack is this: Do the increased Fe levels, if present, have any actual impact on engine performance or longevity?
In most cases, people are making much ado about nothing.
Exactly...
There is lots of members here that have always run M1 and have had nothing but spotless long lasting engines.
OVERK1LL has run an engine a ton of miles and only used M1. PM him...
Mystic, the key question to ask, the logical analysis many lack is this: Do the increased Fe levels, if present, have any actual impact on engine performance or longevity?
In most cases, people are making much ado about nothing.
Exactly...
There is lots of members here that have always run M1 and have had nothing but spotless long lasting engines.
OVERK1LL has run an engine a ton of miles and only used M1. PM him...
I want all of you to understand that I have totally nothing against Mobil 1 oil. Like I said-I have a 5 quart container of Mobil 1 HM in my garage right now that I intend to use after I get done using Pennzoil Ultra.
But it just troubles me that there seem to be a lot of Mobil 1 UOAs where high iron is detected. I think that is understandable.
Is there solid evidence that Mobil 1 HM is a good motor oil?
But it just troubles me that there seem to be a lot of Mobil 1 UOAs where high iron is detected. I think that is understandable.
Is there solid evidence that Mobil 1 HM is a good motor oil?
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Mystic, the key question to ask, the logical analysis many lack is this: Do the increased Fe levels, if present, have any actual impact on engine performance or longevity?
In most cases, people are making much ado about nothing.
Exactly...
There is lots of members here that have always run M1 and have had nothing but spotless long lasting engines.
OVERK1LL has run an engine a ton of miles and only used M1. PM him...
m1 engines seem to be more varnished from others...thats what i observed
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Mystic, the key question to ask, the logical analysis many lack is this: Do the increased Fe levels, if present, have any actual impact on engine performance or longevity?
In most cases, people are making much ado about nothing.
Exactly...
There is lots of members here that have always run M1 and have had nothing but spotless long lasting engines.
OVERK1LL has run an engine a ton of miles and only used M1. PM him...
m1 engines seem to be more varnished from others...thats what i observed
Well, if somebody has seen a lot of disassembled engines and noticed something like varnish buildup in engines that have used Mobil 1 that is interesting. I would like to know more about that.
I am not a chemist or involved in oil analysis. It seems to me that if high iron or high copper is noticed in a certain brand of motor oil in UOA after UOA that would be a possible indication of high wear. Maybe the brand of oil has high iron or high copper to start with but VOAs could be checked for that. Does all of this seem reasonable?
Like everybody else here I would like to just use the best motor oil I can for the least amount of money.
It makes no difference to me if Castrol or Mobil or Pennzoil or Valvoline or Quaker State or whoever turns out to be the best for the most reasonable price. I don't own stock in any of those corporations. I just want to find the best I can and if there are any problem oils I want to find out about that also. I am not trying to start a fight with anybody or put down the favorite oil of anybody. I just want to find a good oil for a good price. And eliminate any oils that might have problems from my list of potential oils.
I am not a chemist or involved in oil analysis. It seems to me that if high iron or high copper is noticed in a certain brand of motor oil in UOA after UOA that would be a possible indication of high wear. Maybe the brand of oil has high iron or high copper to start with but VOAs could be checked for that. Does all of this seem reasonable?
Like everybody else here I would like to just use the best motor oil I can for the least amount of money.
It makes no difference to me if Castrol or Mobil or Pennzoil or Valvoline or Quaker State or whoever turns out to be the best for the most reasonable price. I don't own stock in any of those corporations. I just want to find the best I can and if there are any problem oils I want to find out about that also. I am not trying to start a fight with anybody or put down the favorite oil of anybody. I just want to find a good oil for a good price. And eliminate any oils that might have problems from my list of potential oils.
The varnish comment is interesting because I noticed the exact opposite from all the M1 engines I have torn apart.
OVERK1LL's mustang is spotless inside with no varnish and he has only run M1 in it.
OVERK1LL's mustang is spotless inside with no varnish and he has only run M1 in it.
As for M1 and price, the only reason I don't use it is because it's way to expensive up here for the performance you get out of it IMO. Canadian pricing seems to be stupidly out of line compared to the U.S. and I would rather pay a few bucks more and have Amsoil or Redline which IMO are far superior. (Just an opinion don't everyone get their nickers in a knot).
I found the picture of his mustang engine that ran nothing but M1 for 330K KM's...
Here is the original thread...
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1546525/
Here is the original thread...
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1546525/
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