Mobil 1 and grp III continued.
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There is no such requirement. Shell, Elf, Esso (XOM), etc.. are all selling grp III oil as "full synthetic" in Europe. Some are using marketing like "synthetic technology" when it's grp III (Mobil (not the M1), Castrol, Fuchs, Pentosin, etc).
I have a feeling we're not going to hear another word, thanks to that dirtbag Mickey_Mouse.
Lol, I'm not feeling the love for Mickey.
Where's Tom? Has he checked in at all? Hey Tom...give us a sign you're not face down in tank farm somewhere
Where's Tom? Has he checked in at all? Hey Tom...give us a sign you're not face down in tank farm somewhere
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Lol, I'm not feeling the love for Mickey.
Where's Tom? Has he checked in at all? Hey Tom...give us a sign you're not face down in tank farm somewhere
Wearing cement overshoes.
Be patient guys. Let's see if George comes through with any kind of data before we start any conspiracy theories.
We all know that it is as good as admitted that Mobil 1 uses group III in their formulations anyway. No need to beat a dead horse. We can move on and accept this new(to us) reality. If anyone has read todays Lube Report you can see that Mobil 1 is moving to establish some authority regarding the Group III technologies.
We all know that it is as good as admitted that Mobil 1 uses group III in their formulations anyway. No need to beat a dead horse. We can move on and accept this new(to us) reality. If anyone has read todays Lube Report you can see that Mobil 1 is moving to establish some authority regarding the Group III technologies.
That's it, all of my Mobil 1 EP is going back to Wally World.
I do still have a few jugs of the Tri-Synthetic formula 15W50 which was supposedly still PAO/Ester, I'll reserve that for my race car which needs it the most.
Still trying to decide what's best to use in the future.
David
I do still have a few jugs of the Tri-Synthetic formula 15W50 which was supposedly still PAO/Ester, I'll reserve that for my race car which needs it the most.
Still trying to decide what's best to use in the future.
David
Someone needs to mail this article to Ron.
http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article000698603.cfm
But it also highlights why some of us are upset with EOM's move to Group III. It simply adds, potentially, great variability in batch to batch performance. The batch you buy today might provide outstanding performance. The batch you buy 3 months from now might provide just adequate performance. I can envision a whole new level of rack raiding...way surpassing what one needs to do to find GC.
In the past, many of us were willing to pay the price premium for M1 simply because of the consistency a PAO based product brings to the table. Looks like you can now throw that out the window.
And I'm not suckered in by EOM supposed concern over the current situation. They should of demonstrated some concern BEFORE they practically sanctioned the use of group III basestocks in a 'premium full synthetic line'.
This article shows why Chrysler insists on stipulating which Group III base oils can be used to formulate ATF+4. The ATF+4 additive package was designed specifically by Lubrizol to work with the three approved Group III base oils, not with any and every Group III out there.
YI agree, the Grp III category is too broad to be usefull as a distinct one size fits all for formulators. Grp III base oils are definately not created equal to each other.
At least XOM is acknowledging the quality differences. To me, that shows they are being upfront about the variability of Group III baseoils. Companies like Castrol for all we know could be using the lowest quality group III's. Same for Mobil 1 I guess.?? Amsoil was very clear in stating that they chose the highest quality Group III baseoils and how the quality does differ between them.
I'm really beating a dead horse here but I think the Japan website had it right the entire time....they have PAO + hydroprocessed for the 5w30 and 10w30 grades and just PAO for the 0w-30/40 grades.
http://www.mobil1.jp/products_mobil1.html#FP
I would assume that M1 has contained "some" group III for quite some time.
http://www.mobil1.jp/products_mobil1.html#FP
I would assume that M1 has contained "some" group III for quite some time.
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It's a shame they can't be as up front and honest in marketing with American consumers. For those who need more translating for context use this.. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=...Flanguage_tools
Well not entirely their either as 15W-50 was found to be GRPIII here and listed as PAO?????????
The heck with it just go elsewhere. But still interesting that they will tell some customers and EXPRESSLY will not tell others.
If this is how they do business then why do business with them. Time to sever the ties until they figure out what they want to do.
The heck with it just go elsewhere. But still interesting that they will tell some customers and EXPRESSLY will not tell others.
If this is how they do business then why do business with them. Time to sever the ties until they figure out what they want to do.
Those of us who have an affinity for Mobil 1 use the product for the same reasons. PAO, because it's what they make perfectly. Precision build, and super-consisentcy. An additive pack that sets it above all others (the combination of the two IS what makes a great oil). I've read the new GIII waffle and it reads like they're just trying out GIII to see what's up with it. But to read that they have been using GIII mix with their 5w30 (Japan) is very dissapointing. I use M1 0W40, and would use 5w50 if it was available in the US (I'm down South where it's hot). GIII vs PAO (or polyolester or whatever) is, at a pure performance level probably fairly irrelivant for most uses. Most uses is not good enough. "we" don't use M1 because it's good enough, we use it on principle. We believe that they engineer it like we would - Better. I for one am very dissapointed. What other product is going to have the killer add pack/synth package that we have come to trust? I for one would jump to Redline at the drop of a hat, IF I thought their addpack was up to Mobil's engineering talent. Now is the time for bold and accurate statements from Mobil.
Well I for one am disappointed at Mobil and once my stash of M1 10w30 is finished I will not use it again. I am going to use Castrol Edge 5w30 which is I know is grp 111 and is about half the price of the Mobil and for my applications, Toyota Kluger/Highlander awd V-6 3.3 and Toyota Corolla 1.8 will be just as good, imo.
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Please excuse the noob question, but is the Japanese Fine Performance the direct equivelent of the North American M1 Synthetic "New Vehicle Formula" (5W30 in my case)?
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