Mobil 1 and grp III continued.

[Terry]

I am not sharp enough to interpret the data alone. I need assistance from a GC chemist with experience in the field and I need access to the library of comparative data Tom/Hatco said they have. Better yet a actual GCMS signature library from XOM. What do you think the chance of that happening is ? Good to hear from you nel. Long way from Oldsmobile and GM engineering issues are we!

XOM needs to step up to the plate and satisfy the cooler heads here with science ( that does not harm their formulating and by extention marketing position). If Mickey is indeed a XOM representative he has already ( surprisingly) admitted on other websites ( TDI) that M1 indeed is a mix that includes grpII/III too.

The real rub is that sincerely dedicated and articulate M1 consumers/users everywhere feel betrayed.

 

[427Z06]

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I contributed to the ZOil study. It's been suggested that we put money into the pot to put this issue to rest.

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By the way, what ever happened to the leftover Zoil pot? Anyone know?

 

[G-MAN]

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BTW I respect Mickey and Tom, like most of you they are employees and stakeholders in companies that may compete. So what? That is the American way. Allow the discourse between them and no need to heavy hand anyone AS LONG as no HARM is done to proprietary formulations.

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You respect someone who would call up Tom's boss and try to cause him trouble at a place where he has worked for decades?

Let's be honest: NOTHING Tom posted on here has any chance, even remotely, of causing Mickey any problems as a retired XOM employee. That argument is lame, IMO.

Mickey has strong feelings about XOM because he worked for them, he loves the company, and he felt it was being unfairly criticized on here. Had he been able to confine his discourse to the topic rather than continually pointing out that no one but himself and maybe a few others were qualified to even discuss the issues, and the rest should just butt out, he would not have been banned.

 

[Ken E.]

If I have to double my sump capacity to double my drain interval, how do I save any money?
I believe current SM oils would be more than capable of handling 10,000 to 15,000 mile OCI in virtually all domestic cars if the sump capacity were increased from the current 4-5 quarts to 9-10 quarts.

Virtually all European cars that spec long drains have sump capacity that is 50% to 100% larger than the typical American car.

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[Bryanccfshr]

I agree, calling someones employer is very low class and dirty.

 

[bruce381]

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I agree, calling someones employer is very low class and dirty.

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Respect for Micky? give me a break he can rot in ________ for being a as UN profesional and vindictive as it gets.
Terry I would re think that statement.
bruce

 

[G-MAN]

Guys, I've locked the other thread about Mickey_M, and I'll lock this one too if we can't get back on topic.

I realize everyone needed to vent, but it's time to let it go. Mickey_M isn't here to defend himself, and we don't need to waste any more bandwidth on him.

 

[kschachn]

This was briefly mentioned on one of these threads, but no real discussion. If Mobil 1 has changed its composition, wouldn't that be pretty obvious in the pour point? Right now M1 has one of the lowest published pour points, one might expect that to rise with an increase in Group III.

 

[G-MAN]

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This was briefly mentioned on one of these threads, but no real discussion. If Mobil 1 has changed its composition, wouldn't that be pretty obvious in the pour point? Right now M1 has one of the lowest published pour points, one might expect that to rise with an increase in Group III.

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I think when Mobil 1 in the "regular" and "Extended Performance" versions was introduced, the pour point and HTHS specs took a hit.

Anyone remember for sure?

 

[427Z06]

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If Mobil 1 has changed its composition, wouldn't that be pretty obvious in the pour point? Right now M1 has one of the lowest published pour points, one might expect that to rise with an increase in Group III.

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Not really, PPDs can be used with Group III to give pour points close to fully formulated PAO based oils. More telling would be the CCS, MRV, NOACK, HTHS Flash points, etc, taken as a whole. Note, EOM stopped publishing CCS and MRV values on M1 shortly before Group III was detected. HTHS took a hit about the time Group IIIs were detected.

Here's the M1 specs Circa 2002:

 

[Bryanccfshr]

I believe that 427Z06 has kept records of previous PDS's. Maybe he can pull them from his personal archives.

 

[G-MAN]

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...shortly before Group III was detected.

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That's the second time you've used that phrase. What are you referring to? I thought Group III was "detected" just a few weeks ago when Tom made his initial post about it.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

The timing when they decided to withhold technical data that they used to highlight is suspicious.

 

[427Z06]

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...shortly before Group III was detected.

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That's the second time you've used that phrase. What are you referring to? I thought Group III was "detected" just a few weeks ago when Tom made his initial post about it.

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Note Tom's comment on the 12/2004 sample he tested.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...0212#Post750212

 

[G-MAN]

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...shortly before Group III was detected.

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That's the second time you've used that phrase. What are you referring to? I thought Group III was "detected" just a few weeks ago when Tom made his initial post about it.

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Note Tom's comment on the 12/2004 sample he tested.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...0212#Post750212

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So are you saying the end of 2004 was when Mobil stopped publishing the cold cranking specs on Mobil 1?

 

[427Z06]

The pdf's I have dated from the year 2004 of M1 specs no longer contained CCS and MRV data as they did in previous years.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

OK, do you recall the introduction date of the EP lines and if this date corresponds with the retraction of this information on PDS's?

 

[427Z06]

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OK, I am trying to recall the introduction date of the EP lines and if this corresponds.

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01/2005.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_Jan_25/ai_n9474217

 

[G-MAN]

I'd say it's looking more and more like they started using Group III when the EP line was introduced.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Thanks.