Mobil-1 5W-30 EP (4 Qts.) + 15W-50 EP(1 Qt.), 2003 Ford 4.0L SOHC V-6, 5756 mile OCI

[chucky2]

Previous oil changes were:

575 factory fill changed out with Castrol GTX 5W-30 and Mobil-1 M1-209 oil filter.

3010 Castrol GTX 5W-30 changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Mobil-1 M1-209 oil filter.

6025 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Mobil-1 M1-209 oil filter.

9025 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Mobil-1 M1-209 oil filter.

12029 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Mobil-1 M1-209 oil filter.

15057 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Wix 51372 oil filter.

19928 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Wix 51372 oil filter.

25000 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter.

30000 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 SS and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter.

35036 Mobil-1 5W-30 SS (SM I believe) changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 EP and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter.

40050 Mobil-1 5W-30 EP changed out with Mobil-1 5W-30 EP and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter. This was the first run of M1 Extended Performance.

45049 Mobil-1 5W-30 EP changed out with Mobil-1 4 Qts. 5w-30 EP + 1 Qt. 15W-50 EP mix and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter. VOA is located here for that mix: 4 Qts. Mobil-1 5W-30 EP + 1 Qt. Mobil-1 15W-50 EP mix

50049 Mobil-1 (4 Qts.) 5W-30 EP + (1 Qt.) 15W-50 EP changed out with mix of same and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter. VOA for mix used for 45049-50049 interval above - this mix should be same.

55805 Mobil-1 (4 Qts.) 5W-30 EP + (1 Qt.) 15W-50 EP changed out with Mobil-1 5w-30 EP and and Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter.

Results:

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M1 oil type: EP-SL EP-SL EP-SL EP-SL SS-SM SS-SM SS-SL SS-SL SS-SL SS-SL

Sample Date 11/05 09/05 06/05 05/05 03/05 01/04 09/04 06/04 03/04 10/03

Truck Milage 55805 50049 45049 40050 35036 30001 25000 19928 15057 9025 Universal

Oil Milage 5756 5000 4999 5014 5036 5000 5072 4871 3028 3000



Aluminum 3 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4

Chromium 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1

Iron 11 9 8 11 16 12 11 14 19 16 16

Copper 7 5 2 3 4 4 4 5 3 3 6

Lead 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 2 0 4

Tin 0 3 1 1 2 1 1 3 2 3 1

Molybdenum 73 79 90 85 66 60 77 59 69 77 49

Nickel 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Manganese 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 1

Silver 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Titanium 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Potassium 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 3

Boron 160 150 199 160 98 120 163 138 157 155 50

Silicon 9 9 10 9 9 9 12 11 10 9 9

Sodium 11 8 6 8 5 5 8 6 4 7 12

Calcium 2540 2866 3276 2833 2417 2412 2860 2938 3120 2887 2102

Magnesium 16 14 15 12 15 6 14 13 14 20 187

Phosphorus 814 838 880 750 678 608 761 756 730 799 747

Zinc 933 1050 1005 900 694 677 893 909 825 910 894

Barium 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1



SuS@210F 68.3 66.9 63.9 62.4 60.1 59.8 61.0 60.9 59.3 61.3 should be 56-63

Flash_F 420 420 425 410 400 370 410 410 385 385 should be >365

Fuel %
Antifrz% 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 should be 0

Water % 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 should be
Insoles% 0.2 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.2 0.3 0.3 0.1 should be
TBN 5.8 6.1 5.3 5.4 4.4 5.7 5.7 5.8 5.4 8.5

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Blackstone Comments: This oil has gone a little thick on you. This viscosity would be typical of a 10W/30, but it doesn't seem to be hurting anything that we can see. You've pushed on up to 5756 miles on the oil and the wear metals stayed steady, mostly below average levels (see universal average wear), so this oil is getting the job done for you. Average miles oil use for one of our samples from this type engine is 4500. The TBN was 5.8, still showing plenty of active additive remaining. Go on up to 6500 miles for the next sample. Wear should still look good.

My comments: Well, driving more normally seems to definitely have helped...I certainly didn't baby it all this time around, however I didn't beat the snot out of it like I was doing last time. This is a pretty ho-hum UOA IMHO...can't really draw any conclusions here other than that running a mid (VOA) to thick (UOW) 30W in the newer Ford 4.0L SOHC V-6's doesn't necessairly mean that it's better for the engine, or worse, than a typical thin 30 weight. Just in case this UOA turned out like the last one, I put in 5 quarts of Mobil-1 5w30 EP and another Motocraft filter. The UOA, which I'll run to 5,000 miles, on this I'm sure will look just like the past 5,000 mile runs of (all) 5w-30 Mobil-1 EP w/ Motorcraft filter I've run. Providing that is true, the next run after that is definitely going to be another 5,000 mile run of 5 quarts Mobil-1 5w-30 EP but this time using Mobil's Extended Performance oil filter. We'll see how that changes the results of a UOA. After than, I'll probably switch back to Motorcraft filter, and then pick another oil. So, the folks that have been wanting to see a non-Mobil oil run in this are going to get their wish relatively soon (with the holiday's, it'll probably be mid-late 1Q '06).

Also, for the push it out to a longer OCI folks, I unintentially - although I knew I was doing it - pushed this OCI past my typical run of 5,000 miles (I hope Ford isn't logging this info...

) Didn't really go much past 5,000 miles, but a little counts, right?

Someone had asked me about consumption in an earlier thread, and I can confirm I did have slight consumption this time around...I'd guesstimate maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of a court...no more than half a quart, and that'd be pushing it I think. I'll keep an eye on this run of just 5w-30 to make sure it's not something else causing the consumption, like a PCV or something like that.

Chuck

 

[ekpolk]

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Also, for the push it out to a longer OCI folks, I unintentially - although I knew I was doing it - pushed this OCI past my typical run of 5,000 miles (I hope Ford isn't logging this info... ) Didn't really go much past 5,000 miles, but a little counts, right?

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What's your warranty mileage limit? No, a small excess over the mfr recommended mileage limit will not make a difference. It would be Ford's responsibility, if you ended up in court, to prove that something you did caused the failure at issue. A mere deviation from recommendations simply won't cut it. They must, with admissible evidence, prove a link. That does not mean you should just ignore mfr recommendations of course, but don't sweat minor deviations.

So why not go longer, once you're out of wty? If there's one consistent message throughout your UOA results, it's that your engine is not using up the oil you've put into it, not even close to it. Apart from insulating yourself from a potential fight with Ford, you've just been throwing away perfectly good oil. You might try one or two UOA with a particle count; I expect you'd be surprised to see how clean the oil still is. Thanks for the good info.

 

[chucky2]

ekpolk- My 3 year/36,000 mile is obviously up,

, but my Ford Premium is up ay 5 years/100,000 miles I believe (can't remember if I did 100,000 or 120,000).

Basically, I've got to either 2008 (it's a 2003 Ford Ranger FX4 Level II), or another 43,000 some odd miles, before the extended warranty is up.

Good info on the warranty...I'm glad you think I haven't voided it...that'd be pretty hard to sell in court I agree...if 700 miles over your recommended normal OCI is enough danger to void the warranty, then that'd be pretty sad of Ford to admit.

Once I'm out of warranty, I'm immediately going to increase the OCI by 2,500 miles, take a UOA, and then I'm sure go out to 10,000 miles. I'd be sweet to finally see what Mobil-1 EP looks like at 15,000 miles...however that's in 43,000 miles probably...so we won't be seeing that anytime soon.

Really, I'm interested in UOA's...but the problem I've noticed is that people don't have any real trend data, and they change too many variables. I know the method for looking at my UOA's isn't perfect (my engine isn't on a stand running these UOA's back to back, it's in the real world where conditions vary), however, I've tried to be very careful in not changing more than 1 thing when doing the UOA's...to minimize the chance of it affecting that UOA compared to past ones.

Does Blackstone do particle counts? If not, do you know who does?

Chuck

 

[ToyotaNSaturn]

Looks good! Thanks for posting! Your mix is a winner!

 

[rshaw125]

I have this mix in my 4.0 Explorer.I am taking it to 10,000 miles. Blackstone container is awaiting the sample.Its on it's second fill of EP so the results should be valuable. Extended warranty be ****ed!

 

[Beaker74]

Thanks for the post & good job reducing the variables. Your UOA's can actually be used to prove how this oil is working.

 

[AndyH]

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Originally posted by chucky2:
Does Blackstone do particle counts?

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Yes, $19.50 for that service.

 

[ekpolk]

Chuck:

Blackstone does indeed do particle counts. Do a search in this section on my username or number (3733) and you'll see a couple examples of what you get when you order a PC (I think they charge another $20 or so for it, but obviously, check before you order to be sure).

One caution on the wty issue. The basic new car wty is governed by the Moss-Magnuson Warranty Act (federal law, applies across the US). Auto makers can give you a more "generous" wty if they want (ha), but in no case can they give you less than the MMWA requires. In other words, the MMWA sets a floor, but there's no ceiling. An extended warranty, however, is simply a contract between the buyer and whoever is underwriting the plan involved. It is NOT governed by the MMWA, unless it happens to "volunteer" in its language that it is (very unlikely, but who knows). With an extended wty, you do need to read it its entirety, carefully, including the dreaded fine print. Since these packages are governed by state contract law, they can pretty much get away with requiring whatever they want to require. If the contract says you must do 3/3 oil changes, and that as a condition to making a claim, you must prove compliance upon demand, then you'd better be able to do so. This, btw, is one reason why I believe these extended plans are pretty worthless. Depending upon how cynical the administrators are, it can be very easy for them to deny claims. I recommend that you read your plan very carefully, and conduct yourself accordingly. If, after reading your plan, you have any questions, you'd be well advised to take the plan to a lawyer in your jurisdiction for an interpretation. Understand your contractual boundaries, and stay strictly within them. Caveat emptor. . .