Mobil 1 0w-40

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Thanks for all the info. It's great reading. I'll tell you what I told this Porsche owner, an 07 911. Use an oil on the list. Get a couple of uoa's to establish how the oil is doing. Develop an oil change interval based on results. Threat the uoa as an evaluation of the oil, not necessarily an evaluation of the engine. His questions came from the fact that he drives an older Porsche in Porsche club racing (a great program) and many racers treat Mobil 1 products like the plague. Based on our work on the engine and lots of analysis over several years with this customer we use Red Line engine oil and gear lubes.

Many Porsche cars life a different life. I know of several owners that baby the cars and treat them like a precious swiss watch that never gets over wound. And I have some friends that have newer models and treat them like a mad dog and whip them every time they drive them. One guy bought a brand new 911 Turbo, took it home, dumped the factory fill added Red Line and with his wife took off on a 7k mile trip to as he stated "break the car in". On the trip he changed the oil once and his response is that his warranty is not at risk because he has never seen a Porsche engine failure due to engine oil. No flames, it's his statement not mine and I don't know enough to comment. By the way this is his 11th new Porsche in 20 years and he has 5 vintage Porsche's in the garage and a Porsche Cup racer, too. By the way I have driven that car and I can see why he really like this car. The moment I got on to the highway I too had the feeling that I needed to go on a 7k mile trip.
 
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Note: As Porsche moves to direct injection (DI) engines this year the OCI will be reduced to 12k miles (20kkms) or one year. This maybe made retrospective for Service management purposes and I believe this may be the case already


Doug, have I interpreted that correctly? You're suggesting that people who have brought cars based around the 987/997 engines with 20k servicing intervals may be retrospectively switched to 12k intervals once the MY2009 DI models are out?
 
Fwiw, I spoke with a guy at Mobil that told me that they do not pay people to use M1. He said over 50% of Nascar to use their oil based on their own decisions. Only the offical sponsored Mobil teams get a "special blend of Mobil 1". These companies and race teams "chose" to use Mobil 1. He said it's a fallacy that they buy their way in. Said it's simply not true at all. It makes all of this more confusing if you do believe him.
 
Doug, I have a question for you about service writers. This same guy was by our shop and was upset at me. A friend took his 05 911 in for a noise in the engine compartment, a squeal. He wrote up a ticket that said, noise in the engine compartment replace the alternator. I though he would write it up as noise, figure it out and give an estimate. We they replaced the alternator and the noise was still there. The customer brought his car in and I looked at it. Turned out is was a vacuum leak. I sent the customer back and he got his money back and they fixed the vacuum leak. Problem is that I told our customer to find another service writer. I said go to the parts department and ask for a recommendation. Turns out this service writer has never turned a wrench and lacks basic knowledge about the trade of maintaining and repairing automobiles. Is this the future of dealer service?
 
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hutchingsp - Yes the operative words being "may be". This was indicated (quite forcefully) to me by a "most reliable" Porsche executive just prior to Xmas but I cannot confirm it - nor do I speak for Porsche of course!

buster - This is my catch on EM here in OZ. Clearly I have had some high level "linkages" to Mobil (and Castrol) but at the very highest of levels of Motorsport Mobil are very "protective" of their own products and very happy with the outcomes. And of course special "tweaked" versions of M1 are formulated for very special applications!

The technical linkages between Oil Companies and Euro vehicle makers are never exclusive (Porsche may be an exception although they do use Valvoline in aircooled engine applications too). They all keep their supply lines open to other "secondary" suppliers as factory fills

I do know that Castrol's gear oils are used in cars here that are clearly in another Oil Company's livery - but never engine oils! Even Castrol's sponsored teams here are unsure of the type/blend of the products they may be using!!

Regards
Doug
 
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...I told our customer to find another service writer. I said go to the parts department and ask for a recommendation. Turns out this service writer has never turned a wrench and lacks basic knowledge about the trade of maintaining and repairing automobiles. Is this the future of dealer service?


Barkerman, I think that's a good idea about service advisers.

You might end up with the parts guys drinking buddy, but odds are you will still do better than just walking into the service department and grabbing your ankles.
 
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hutchingsp - Yes the operative words being "may be". This was indicated (quite forcefully) to me by a "most reliable" Porsche executive just prior to Xmas but I cannot confirm it - nor do I speak for Porsche of course!


Thanks Doug, seems strange tbh - can't quite get my head around a letter from Porsche telling me that the car I brought based around service schedule X is being changed to service schedule Y because of the new engines?

Not doubting for a moment your information or sources, but you see where I'm coming from that's almost doubling service costs by nearly halving intervals for no obvious reason for owners of < MY2009 vehicles?
 
hutchingsp, in marketing terms, I think it may look bad if the "newer and better" engines need more servicing than the older engines especially in light of their marketing slogan, "Porsches belong on the road, not in the workshop". As you know I believe the 20k recommendation is based on marketing. We'll see I guess
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BarkerMan - Sadly I believe yes it is - or at least it is a current trend! It is driven by money (wages) too!
One had to be a qualified mechanic in order to become a Servive Writer (as you call it) when Auto Technical training was at its highest point (up to and during the 1970's in NZ)

NZ had the highest standards of Auto apprenticeship training in the World up until then (don't ask how I can make this statement)

Generally Trade training has slipped to a very low level Worldwide and is now being addressed at various levels

I have found that the level of simple diagnostic ability has fallen to an alarmly low level here in OZ. Without a PC or electrical "diagnostician" the average young mechanic is simple lost! The basics are sadly lost on many of these younger persons

Some Auto Companies and some Retails outlets do have the very highest of technical and ethical standards - many are better than ever before - and some don't!

Sadly many "Service Writers" don't like being questioned or to have their diagnositic abilities challenged. Mostly it is due to their overall lack of ability and knowledge as you have found out

My youngest Son is a Diesel Technician (MAN-VW-DB) and has been offered Service Writer positions at Major Company outlets - the money is very low and the responsibily very high. He is a roving Tech. working at mine sites etc for a major Company and earns enormous money - he asks me "why become a "Service Writer"?. The answer is clear!

In the trucking Industry I would never allow major work to take place on my equipment (at the Supplier's outlet) without being personnally supervised by my staff or me. In one case some years ago, four trips to a Franchised workshop for air supply problems - and accounts totalling over $5000 - failed to solve the problem. My Senior Driver and I solved the (simple) problem in about 2 minutes flat, the repair cost $120 and took 30 minutes. I had the money refunded. Sadly people are bruised by this. I believe this situation to be quite typical

Regards
Doug
 
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Doug:
Jeg jobber i Oslo men Tromsø er min hjemby :)
I work in Oslo but Tromsø is my home town.
 
The 0w-40 in the US is not that same as that used elsewhere. Here, it states "Porsche approval 2002", and that was when it was an SL rated oil. I have a thread about this in the Euro forum that shows the SM version outside the US has the same viscosity specs as the older SL rated oil and states "Porsche Approved" on the PDS. As far as I can tell, Syntec 5w-40 is the only approved oil in the US.
 
Hi Doug,

That's probably because the German's have no idea it is a different formulation in the US. It is clear that Mobil has two different formulations of SM 0w-40.

Tim
 
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I have ran it in my 2003 Toyota Camry, a 1995 Toyota Tacoma,a 2002 Tundra,A Sear's Garden Tractor and a MTD made self propelled snow blower. In fact it is the only oil that alloys for reliable cold start's of the Lawn and Garden tractor. No consuption issues with anything I have ran it in!
 
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