Mobil 1 0w-30
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Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Originally Posted By: tig1
The M1 0-30 will be excellent year round.
Seconded. It would most definitely be fine all year.
Side note: About using the Fram filters - if you have been doing it without problem for over 20 years, then more power to you. But, I just want to say, Motorcraft's ADBV is in a better position. I'm not sure as to whether all Fram filters have an ADBV or not...?
Good question - I know their Tough Gard specifies that it has one...silicone or not I don't know.
The standard orange box Fram doesn't say one way or another.
Originally Posted By: tig1
The M1 0-30 will be excellent year round.
Seconded. It would most definitely be fine all year.
Side note: About using the Fram filters - if you have been doing it without problem for over 20 years, then more power to you. But, I just want to say, Motorcraft's ADBV is in a better position. I'm not sure as to whether all Fram filters have an ADBV or not...?
Good question - I know their Tough Gard specifies that it has one...silicone or not I don't know.
The standard orange box Fram doesn't say one way or another.
Originally Posted By: john_pifer
The standard orange box Fram doesn't say one way or another.
Yah, that's what I was wondering. If they don't, then, to be completely honest, running a Fram on a V8, especially on a Ford (because of MC's good ADBV), is not a great idea. But, then again, it's up to the mind of the consumer to make the choice. I wouldn't run a filter that doesn't have an ADBV on my truck (see sig).
The standard orange box Fram doesn't say one way or another.
Yah, that's what I was wondering. If they don't, then, to be completely honest, running a Fram on a V8, especially on a Ford (because of MC's good ADBV), is not a great idea. But, then again, it's up to the mind of the consumer to make the choice. I wouldn't run a filter that doesn't have an ADBV on my truck (see sig).
So, all filters don't have an ADBV?
I thought they all had one, but the question was, is it silicone or not?
I thought they all had one, but the question was, is it silicone or not?
Originally Posted By: john_pifer
So, all filters don't have an ADBV?
I thought they all had one, but the question was, is it silicone or not?
Well, actually, some Frams actually come without ADBVs, for example the PH3675.
I went to see this other thread about it:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3136522
From that thread I've taken a few quotes:
Originally Posted By: GSCJR
You were probably looking at PH9837 which is w/o adbv. PH3675 is w/adbv for that application.
Originally Posted By: David1
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
As far as I understand it, not all filters have ADBVs, as they are not needed in all applications. If the filter orientation in the Trailblazer is like my Burb's and the base of the filter faces up, there is no need for an ADBV because gravity does the job of keeping the oil from draining out of the filter.
An ADBV is still beneficial here, because oil above the filter in the engine oil galleries will push oil backwards through the filter due to head pressure. See below sketch. This shows what the oil will try to do after the engine is turned off and the system is no longer pressurized.
SO true, its hard to imagine why filters without ADBV's exist at all. All for the want of a few pennies, I guess...
Yea just to save a few pennies
also no bypass, thats crazy the one on the ENGINES have been known to FAIL...
heck they even show it on FRAM You tube page..
I'm heading to youtube... gonna see if I can't find what was talked about in the quote.
So, all filters don't have an ADBV?
I thought they all had one, but the question was, is it silicone or not?
Well, actually, some Frams actually come without ADBVs, for example the PH3675.
I went to see this other thread about it:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3136522
From that thread I've taken a few quotes:
Originally Posted By: GSCJR
You were probably looking at PH9837 which is w/o adbv. PH3675 is w/adbv for that application.
Originally Posted By: David1
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
As far as I understand it, not all filters have ADBVs, as they are not needed in all applications. If the filter orientation in the Trailblazer is like my Burb's and the base of the filter faces up, there is no need for an ADBV because gravity does the job of keeping the oil from draining out of the filter.
An ADBV is still beneficial here, because oil above the filter in the engine oil galleries will push oil backwards through the filter due to head pressure. See below sketch. This shows what the oil will try to do after the engine is turned off and the system is no longer pressurized.
SO true, its hard to imagine why filters without ADBV's exist at all. All for the want of a few pennies, I guess...
Yea just to save a few pennies
also no bypass, thats crazy the one on the ENGINES have been known to FAIL...
heck they even show it on FRAM You tube page..
I'm heading to youtube... gonna see if I can't find what was talked about in the quote.
I know I need one on my Taco; the filter is on a remote mount above the left cyl. bank for easy access. Upside-down.
Originally Posted By: nepadriver
In MN I would run it. Don't listen to a few extremists here on BITOG who have never seen the impact of such cold climates on vehicles. Also trust in the billions of dollars in R&D companies like Mobile and Shell have spent on these products over those few extremists who insist on running 20w-50 in cars not speced for it so they get "extra protection".
...or who live where the ambient temps NEVER drop below 80*F, even in winter.
In MN I would run it. Don't listen to a few extremists here on BITOG who have never seen the impact of such cold climates on vehicles. Also trust in the billions of dollars in R&D companies like Mobile and Shell have spent on these products over those few extremists who insist on running 20w-50 in cars not speced for it so they get "extra protection".
...or who live where the ambient temps NEVER drop below 80*F, even in winter.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
...or who live where the ambient temps NEVER drop below 80*F, even in winter.
Exactly. I live in Illinois, and though it may not be as cold as some of the the other cold states, it gets below 0*F quite often in the winter.
...or who live where the ambient temps NEVER drop below 80*F, even in winter.
Exactly. I live in Illinois, and though it may not be as cold as some of the the other cold states, it gets below 0*F quite often in the winter.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: nepadriver
In MN I would run it. Don't listen to a few extremists here on BITOG who have never seen the impact of such cold climates on vehicles. Also trust in the billions of dollars in R&D companies like Mobile and Shell have spent on these products over those few extremists who insist on running 20w-50 in cars not speced for it so they get "extra protection".
Who on Earth is Mobile ?
They have a woeful market presence for a company that spends so much...
And I don't see anyone here suggesting 20W-50...but you really shot them down when they turn up...
Phone autocorrect as one types "mob" mobile inserts itself.
Yeah, meant 15w-50, not 20. No reason to run anything lighter!!! Cold won't harm anything!!! Oh and 100F ambient is "hot" better up that weight!!!
Overweight club is hilarious.
Originally Posted By: nepadriver
In MN I would run it. Don't listen to a few extremists here on BITOG who have never seen the impact of such cold climates on vehicles. Also trust in the billions of dollars in R&D companies like Mobile and Shell have spent on these products over those few extremists who insist on running 20w-50 in cars not speced for it so they get "extra protection".
Who on Earth is Mobile ?
They have a woeful market presence for a company that spends so much...
And I don't see anyone here suggesting 20W-50...but you really shot them down when they turn up...
Phone autocorrect as one types "mob" mobile inserts itself.
Yeah, meant 15w-50, not 20. No reason to run anything lighter!!! Cold won't harm anything!!! Oh and 100F ambient is "hot" better up that weight!!!
Overweight club is hilarious.
Originally Posted By: nepadriver
Yeah, meant 15w-50, not 20. No reason to run anything lighter!!! Cold won't harm anything!!! Oh and 100F ambient is "hot" better up that weight!!!
hahaha... yup, better find some good ol' 10w-60 to protect in that heat! Shoot, maybe even some SAE 70!
All kidding aside, [some] Bimmers actually do spec 10w-60.
Yeah, meant 15w-50, not 20. No reason to run anything lighter!!! Cold won't harm anything!!! Oh and 100F ambient is "hot" better up that weight!!!
hahaha... yup, better find some good ol' 10w-60 to protect in that heat! Shoot, maybe even some SAE 70!
All kidding aside, [some] Bimmers actually do spec 10w-60.
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Originally Posted By: Dean85
So, are these Windsor engines pretty good engines?
Yes, I'm a big fan of them.
So, are these Windsor engines pretty good engines?
Yes, I'm a big fan of them.
Mobil 1 0w30 seems to be one of the best and traditional products in their lineup right now. The low pour point, -50 C (-58 F) suggests it is heavy on the PAO. I'm surprised it's not even more popular around here.
Originally Posted By: Dave01
Really solid engines, a ton of them were made, nice low end torque. Simple old school design.
I think it was Allan Moffatt (Ford man all the way) who said that the Windsor was the best Chev small block Ford ever built...referring to staggered ports, front dizzy as improvements over the SBC.
Really solid engines, a ton of them were made, nice low end torque. Simple old school design.
I think it was Allan Moffatt (Ford man all the way) who said that the Windsor was the best Chev small block Ford ever built...referring to staggered ports, front dizzy as improvements over the SBC.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
I think it was Allan Moffatt (Ford man all the way) who said that the Windsor was the best Chev small block Ford ever built...referring to staggered ports, front dizzy as improvements over the SBC.
I know there's lots of SBC fans, also a bulletproof design. I think the 5.8 Ford wins on all around truck engine, tows very well, smooth and reliable, can add some power if you want. The SBC wins as a performance platform. Both engines will do a lot of work with relatively small displacement.
I'm also biased, have a boat with a 5.8.
I think it was Allan Moffatt (Ford man all the way) who said that the Windsor was the best Chev small block Ford ever built...referring to staggered ports, front dizzy as improvements over the SBC.
I know there's lots of SBC fans, also a bulletproof design. I think the 5.8 Ford wins on all around truck engine, tows very well, smooth and reliable, can add some power if you want. The SBC wins as a performance platform. Both engines will do a lot of work with relatively small displacement.
I'm also biased, have a boat with a 5.8.
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