Mobil 1 0W-30: why not ACEA A5?

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Reading through this thread, I see how XOM continues to hedge with their replies, just as they did when my brother and I made some inquiries. They take it that people are stupid, or know less than they do when asking questions. Then when someone in the know asks a question, or perhaps responds to one of their off base replies and presses a little, they play rope a dope, or don't respond anymore. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
 
Originally Posted By: Mark888
The M1 oils sold in EU are typically better than in the USA for two reasons. First, you can't sell 100% hydro-cracked oil as synthetic in the EU like you can in the USA. Second, they have extended drain intervals in the EU due mostly to energy conservation and environmental concerns.


A third reason would be that they cost 2 or 3 times as much. I remember seeing Mobil 1 for 14 euros a litre at a filling station
a few years ago (when M1 was still $5 a qt. here). I had assumed
that we were lucky to get it so cheap when in fact we may have been getting an inferior product.
 
Originally Posted By: pbm
Mark888 said:
A third reason would be that they cost 2 or 3 times as much. I remember seeing Mobil 1 for 14 euros a litre at a filling station a few years ago (when M1 was still $5 a qt. here). I had assumed that we were lucky to get it so cheap when in fact we may have been getting an inferior product.

Everything in the EU costs more than in the US, especially if it has anything to do with petroleum. They have humongous taxes on petroleum products to encourage conservation.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Reading through this thread, I see how XOM continues to hedge with their replies, just as they did when my brother and I made some inquiries. They take it that people are stupid, or know less than they do when asking questions. Then when someone in the know asks a question, or perhaps responds to one of their off base replies and presses a little, they play rope a dope, or don't respond anymore. I'll spend my money elsewhere.

You are making some big assumptions about what they know. The people you talk to are "customer service" employees, and they are fairly low-paid employees who just don't really know much, and are given stock answers to reply to questions that people ask. If engineers answered all the questions, then they would not have any time to get their engineering work done. Don't take it personally.
 
Everything in the EU costs more than in the US, especially if it has anything to do with petroleum. They have humongous taxes on petroleum products to encourage conservation. [/quote]

I used to think that too. My property tax (for a very modest house is approx. 8K a year. A neighbor with a bigger, newer house is paying 17K a year. My b-i-l in Europe pays high gasoiline prices and NO PROPERTY TAX. The idea that we Americans are not highly taxed is ludicrous. I pay $8 dollars to cross the GW Bridge and another $10 in bridge tolls when I work in Queens or Brooklyn. Now they are planning on putting tolls on the bridges between the 5 boros (those that didn't already have them).
A big part of the problem is that NY has been run by one political party for so long.
 
Originally Posted By: pbm
I used to think that too. My property tax (for a very modest house is approx. 8K a year. A neighbor with a bigger, newer house is paying 17K a year. My b-i-l in Europe pays high gasoiline prices and NO PROPERTY TAX. The idea that we Americans are not highly taxed is ludicrous. I pay $8 dollars to cross the GW Bridge and another $10 in bridge tolls when I work in Queens or Brooklyn. Now they are planning on putting tolls on the bridges between the 5 boros (those that didn't already have them).
A big part of the problem is that NY has been run by one political party for so long.

When I said the US, I wasn't talking about the NY.
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I pay about $1,600 in property taxes for my 2100 sq. ft. home.
 
Mark: You are right. I shouldn't compare NY with the rest of America although with the current administration we'll all get more of what Europe now has.
 
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Mark: You are right. I shouldn't compare NY with the rest of America although with the current administration we'll all get more of what Europe now has.

Cleaner neighborhoods? Reduced crime? Better education? Functional "services"? Cheaper medical? Engineers paid to sit around complicating things? Svelte Germanic babes running all over the place?

I'll take it!
 
Probably Mobil knows that the U.S. consumers change out M1 at dino oil intervals so why spend the extra $$$ on additives to make it a long life oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Supposedly, the classic Mobil 1 0w-40 was a "thickened" version of the original 0w-30...SL. That's what I'm using in the CRV that gets 2k miles a month, 4 months oci.

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Mobil likes you with those oil change intervals.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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Mark: You are right. I shouldn't compare NY with the rest of America although with the current administration we'll all get more of what Europe now has.

Cleaner neighborhoods? Reduced crime? Better education? Functional "services"? Cheaper medical? Engineers paid to sit around complicating things? Svelte Germanic babes running all over the place?

I'll take it!



Not exactly.

By the way, cleaner neighborhoods are the responsibility of those who live there.
 
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Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Supposedly, the classic Mobil 1 0w-40 was a "thickened" version of the original 0w-30...SL. That's what I'm using in the CRV that gets 2k miles a month, 4 months oci.

MobilMan.jpg

Mobil likes you with those oil change intervals.


I think 8k is fine for an old oil that I paid $2 for. I have a bunch of it and it has got to get used up. Dated 2004.
 
"ACEA A5/B5 oils are typically low HTHS (Group III base oils."
 
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Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
That's bunk because ACEA are self-reported specs. That is, no test sequence required. Even worse, XOM bothered to mention A1, although claiming no adherence to ACEA specs. I complained about this a while ago, A3/A5 is what DEFINES a synthetic oil!


And as was pointed out to you: the specs that it DOES meet, when combined, exceed every parameter of A5.

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Something stinks at Mobil.


Only your unfounded opinion of it.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
That's bunk because ACEA are self-reported specs. That is, no test sequence required. Even worse, XOM bothered to mention A1, although claiming no adherence to ACEA specs. I complained about this a while ago, A3/A5 is what DEFINES a synthetic oil!


And as was pointed out to you: the specs that it DOES meet, when combined, exceed every parameter of A5.


That's pretty funny. Let me get this strait, an A1 oil "combined with other specs" exceeds an A5 oil?

That's a good one. From the "more specs is better" school of thought?

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Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
That's bunk because ACEA are self-reported specs. That is, no test sequence required. Even worse, XOM bothered to mention A1, although claiming no adherence to ACEA specs. I complained about this a while ago, A3/A5 is what DEFINES a synthetic oil!


And as was pointed out to you: the specs that it DOES meet, when combined, exceed every parameter of A5.


That's pretty funny. Let me get this strait, an A1 oil "combined with other specs" exceeds an A5 oil?

That's a good one. From the "more specs is better" school of thought?

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Play dumb all you want, but I know that you grasp the concept.

Any spec consists of a number of parameters- each parameter is a radial on those spider charts you have often posted links to.

When an oil meets multiple specs, Spec 1 may have the highest requirement on parameter a, spec 2 may have the highest requirement on parameters b, c, and e, and spec 3 may have the highest requirement on parameter d.

If spec 4 comes along and doesn't have as high a requirement on parameter a as spec 1, doesn't have as high a requirement on parameters b, c, and e as spec 2, and doesn't have as high a requirement on parameter d as spec 3, then specs 1, 2, and 3 combined result in an oil that renders spec 4 moot and meaningless. In the case of this oil, ACEA A5 is the equivalent of the 4th spec in the example above.
 
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
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A5 0w30 available in Europe, yes...it NEEDS to be A5.


Some Euro Mobil 1 sites (the UK) state that 0w30 AFE is A5 rated, others (Germany) don't list the spec. IIRC...
 
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