Mazda Miata 1.8L M1 15-50 teardown results

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I recently lost the head gasket (sort of) on my custom turbocharged Miata 1.8L. The head gasket failed due to corrosion on the iron block. I used minimal antifreeze to keep the turbocharged engine cool. The result was a hydrolocked cylinder due to water. I have 122,000 miles on the engine.

Anyway I am in the process of a full overhaul. I used Mobil 1 10-30 early on in the car's life and switched to 15-50 after installation of the turbo. The engine is in fantastic internal condition. The cylinders appear new and the ring gap is at 0.012 inches, well within new spec. What I was so impressed with was the bearing condition. They are perfect and can be re-used. I find this interesting because the rod bearings do not seem to hold up well in Miata turbo applications. Also, there are no deposits internally. The bottoms of the pistons have no carbon or discoloration (another problem with turbo miata's).

With the exception of a slightly bent rod, the engine is perfect and everything could be re-used. I don't even need to have the block cleaned as it is perfectly clean inside.

I also spoke with the folks at Flyin' Miata today and they confirmed an engine teardown at 154,000 with similar results on Mobil 1.

Contrast this with those who do not maintain Miata turbo's as well. They have continual rod bearing failures, along with rapid ring and cylinder wear and often get less than 25K out of the engines.

Very impressed I am!

Chris
 
Chris,

Congrats on the condition of your engine (well, except the bent rod
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I'm really not that surprised that the 15w-50 performed so well. I've always heard great stuff about it in stressed/tracked engines/cars. Any noticeable turbo lag?
 
I use a T3/60 turbo on a custom tubular header. It was first turbo'd with an Aerodyne VATN turbo. The variable vanes and ultra light rotating parts of the Aerodyne resulted in a non turbo feel. It simply made the car feel like it had a much bigger engine. The T3 has a very typical turbo car feel, lag and all. But my car has better response than the current Mazdaspeed turbo miata from the factory. So it is not all bad!

I get full boost at about 3400 RPM in 5th gear and about 4K in the lower gears. That fact alone points out the lag in the turbo system.

BTW, my car has plenty of road race track time. My boss rented Homestead for himself, 4 days! It was the Ferarri and Miata show. Poor little thrashed miata! A few hundred gallons of super unleaded and 3 sets of brakes later...... This is in addition to my club racing events.

Click on my screen name and go to the link for my car's webpage.


Chris
 
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Originally posted by Cujet:
I get full boost at about 3400 RPM in 5th gear and about 4K in the lower gears. That fact alone points out the lag in the turbo system. Chris

Gosh and this is with a 1.8? I think I'm going to suffer when I fit the same turbo to my 1.6
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I'm using Redline 10w30 though.
 
how was the ol' fuel economy? gotta ask as i am now debating on using ELF 10w-50 or M1 15w-50 (wish they made it in a 10w-50 though:() and would like to know if it did lower your fuel economy? I really cant afford to lower my fuel economy any further as its at 21 city and 26 highway (wife has a lead foot-hmmmmmm.....if i just cut her foo.....uhh....nevermind!). just curious!
 
That was a clean looking exhaust Cujet...The Turbo w/FM ECU 0-60 times are impressive for that little motor. The amount of time you trimmed from stock is pretty amazing.

Do you have any RWHP dyno numbers ?
 
I'm confused, previously you said this engine was totally worn out. So much blowby with 0w20 it wouldn't even seal the combustion chambers. Lead was through the roof. If you can have that much lead and still the bearings come out like new, I am lost.
Were there any indications where the lead was coming from? How about the blowby? Rings or bore wear?

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You really should be using (the Ferrari spec'd) 5-20. It would have kept the engine cooler....
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Originally posted by Dr. T:
You really should be using (the Ferrari spec'd) 5-20. It would have kept the engine cooler....
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Good to see you post Dr. T. My car thanks you forever for turning the board on to GC.
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From what I've read here, and the other thread, you have way to many variables changing or unknown to draw any meaningful conclusions.
 
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Originally posted by Jason Troxell:
I'm confused, previously you said this engine was totally worn out. So much blowby with 0w20 it wouldn't even seal the combustion chambers. Lead was through the roof. If you can have that much lead and still the bearings come out like new, I am lost.
Were there any indications where the lead was coming from? How about the blowby? Rings or bore wear?

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001267#000000


Chris: I agree with Jason--why the conflicting reports?
 
In my previous post with the use of M1 20W, I was having problems with the turbo and ended up rebuilding it, then replacing it 2 more times. I had a terrible UOA that lead me to believe the bearings were toast. I also had some overheating problems which may have contributed to the oil use and blowby. However after all is said and done, my miata engine does not like thin oil and high temps.

What I discovered when I took the engine apart really shocked me. I expected to find all sorts of worn out parts. The actual result was a very pleasant surprise! Not to say there were not problems, just that major wear items looked really good!

Really, it is too bad I did not run a better radiator and plenty of antifreeze. Also, keeping the boost down to a more reasonable level may help the rods live longer. I am not entirely certain whether the #4 rod got shorter due to water or too much boost. Some miata turbo guys have had the rods bend due to boost. I know I was getting combustion gasses into the water, so I had to take it apart. Good thing I did.

Keep in mind that this is a very low budget car!

One thing I learned, UOA's that look horrible to me do not mean there is no bearing material left. I am sure some relationship could be made for lead PPM and bearing wear numbers. However I am now quite certain the numbers must be very, very high before actual bearing material is being removed from the bearings.

Fuel economy hovers around 24-25 now. Used to be 27 with the old Aerodyne turbo. Not sure why the difference.

BTW, the 0-20 M1 did not help performance or fuel economy.

RWHP was 270 without the intercooler. I have not tried it with the intercooler installed. However the 550cc injectors limit my ultimate output at 100% duty cycle to about 320-330RWHP. Since I am now running well over 90% duty cycle, I am sure some good tuning would show over 300RWHP.

Chris
 
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