Maybe Fram's are not so bad?
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The HP line is identical to the standard "orange can of doom". My wrench had a bracket racer in with his HP oil filter and we cut it open ..same lame carboard inside. There was nothing "wrong" with it ..but most of those who race don't leave their oil in too long anyway. Fram is the #1 filter used by the go fast crowd. It's just got such an extended reputation in the racing circles for about 40 years. It's a long time since they were a manufacturing plant in Providence, R.I.
Most of the hi-per crowd don't necessarily run anything above stock oil pressure ..yet they feel that the HP line is necessary.
I don't think it really much matters, though. If they're really using their engine for racing, they're probably refreshing a tired engine every two or three seasons anyway. Aside from some lame stray chunk of something (fairly large) ...the service is putting more wear on it ..or the lack of an air cleaner ..or whatever .more than the lack of a decent filter
Most of the hi-per crowd don't necessarily run anything above stock oil pressure ..yet they feel that the HP line is necessary.
I don't think it really much matters, though. If they're really using their engine for racing, they're probably refreshing a tired engine every two or three seasons anyway. Aside from some lame stray chunk of something (fairly large) ...the service is putting more wear on it ..or the lack of an air cleaner ..or whatever .more than the lack of a decent filter
Maybe it is because they look good. How is he gonna with the blue ribbon with a Super Tech on the block?
If the cars were vintage, FRAM might be what was used way back when...when fram was good.
If the cars were vintage, FRAM might be what was used way back when...when fram was good.
I believe you're talking about the Extended Guard or whatever the heck they call it- the Fram that comes in the shrink-wrapped silver box and costs $10. That seems to be a good filter (for some reason the idea of having the media surrounded by a good metal mesh really appeals to me). The Fram "HP" is just a regular orange Extra Guard with a thicker can than the tinfoil one that the Wal-Mart specials come with. Still garbage. I think it has been proven on here time and again that many mechanics, racers, and "enthusiasts" don't have a clue about what is really going on with lubricants and filters today, so what I seen on show cars or race cars really doesn't carry much weight with me. I did notice in my Jegs catalog the other day that Fram has one other performance oil filter- called the HP-6 I think? It's got some ungodly thread size like 1 1/2-xx, and I noticed that on their site, Perma-Cool makes a "racing" series remote mount for this specific filter. I assume it's probably the one you see on some fuel dragsters & funny cars (mostly there for promotional purposes I imagine- Fram is still the official filter of the NHRA and John Force was always one of the biggest promoters of Fram & their sister company Autolite).
I no longer use Frams but I used to use them almost exclusively.The car in question had around 162,000+ miles on it when I quit driving it.
It never had any type of engine work as long as I owned it.
Are Frams complete junk?,probably not.
Are there better filters?,yes.
Will they destroy an engine?they may shorten the life of one by causing premature wear.
Frams are probably fine for 3K/3Month OCI's in most auto's.
In the application I require,the main concern I have are the very small oil inlet holes.
Carquest filters are made by WIX and should be a good filter.
It never had any type of engine work as long as I owned it.
Are Frams complete junk?,probably not.
Are there better filters?,yes.
Will they destroy an engine?they may shorten the life of one by causing premature wear.
Frams are probably fine for 3K/3Month OCI's in most auto's.
In the application I require,the main concern I have are the very small oil inlet holes.
Carquest filters are made by WIX and should be a good filter.
Agree with all of the above. The problem most of us have with Fram IMO is that they market them as a premium product while in actuality they are probably the worst in the industry. Just by picking up a Fram and then holding a Wix/M1/etc. one can feel the difference....
And so are homogenized milk and Oreo(tm) cookies. Your point?quote:
Originally posted by Superglide:
So are tabacco products.
In my driving life, I've had 9 vehicles, with over 1 million total miles.
I used Fram oil filters for most of those miles, and guess what??.......No engine failures of any kind........Period.
All my vehicles were either sold or traded for a new one, and all were in way above "average" condition.
No, I don't use frams any longer, and no, they are'nt the best filter made, but man the way people bash frams on this site sure gets OLD.
Maybe my engines simply didn't know how "lame" Fram oil filters were, maybe that's why the 9 engines went over 1 million miles total?
Darryl
The Fram bashing does get kind of old, the majority of "do it yourselfers" are still using them on their cars, but I don't mostly because of the cost and construction of the filters. Frams are what they are, an oil filter that meets specs and are widely available.
The Fram excuses are really getting old. Like your Mom said "if everyone jumped off a bridge, would you too?"
Millions of people go to Jiffy lube, millions of people never wash their cars, millions of people never change transmission fluid. Does that mean it's not bad for their cars? Since when is not blowing up the only requirement for car maintenance?
-T
Millions of people go to Jiffy lube, millions of people never wash their cars, millions of people never change transmission fluid. Does that mean it's not bad for their cars? Since when is not blowing up the only requirement for car maintenance?
-T
I used to use Fram orange can filters. I got them at pep boys for $4 a piece. Now for $4 I could also get a Purolator premium plus, and let's be honest that's one of the best built filters on the market. I'm sure Purolator is making a fairly decent profit on it's filters as well. Fram on the hand charges the same for a vastly inferior product on the assumption that it's a quality product. They're taking advantage of people and that's what angers me the most about it. It's one thing to make a cheap product, it's another to just take peoples money.
You have to give props to fram's marketing department though.
You have to give props to fram's marketing department though.
Propflux01
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Hmm....Here we go again...Ok, the comeback....how much further would those 9 engines have gone if Another brand was used....quote:
Originally posted by Darryl:
Maybe my engines simply didn't know how "lame" Fram oil filters were, maybe that's why the 9 engines went over 1 million miles total?
Darryl [/QB]
I just changed the DL3593A filter on my car (Honeywell), and the ADB valve was still working perfectly after 7500 miles of use. The threads were perfectly clean on the new filter, unlike those of Supertech filters.
Oh Lord we're beating this dead horse again
! Some people have ok luck with the Fram oil filters and some don't. I used Fram's instead of Motorcraft's because of their advertising. My luck was bad when using Fram oil filters. I blamed the oil and tried all sorts of brands and viscosity oils to try and quiet the start-up noise. Guess what, it didn't work. Switching to a Motorcraft oil filter stopped the start-up noises in my Ford vehicles
. Other people have had no "problems" with Fram's. Motorcraft oil filters can usually be purchased for less than the equivalent Fram oil filter so why buy Fram when a much better Motorcraft filter can be bought for less? This is just my own experiences.
Whimsey
Whimsey
Oh, and I forgot to add that I used,,,,, gulp .........Pennzoil. Man was I lucky that my engines didn't sludge up and die.
And by the way, I sold one of my trucks to my brother who still uses it as a work truck, and he gets his oil changed at Jiffy Lube with Pennzoil 10w30 and a Pennzoil filter (aka Fram) and has over 300,000 miles on the odometer.
Darryl
So are tabacco products.
They really aren't the same as any other filter (that I have seen anyway). They have synthetic media that is backed by wire mesh. There's virtually no chance of the media collapsing so they are good for extended drains. They also have a silicon adbv so it will stay flexible for a while. If you're looking for an extended drain filter I give it an A.
"And so are homogenized milk and Oreo(tm) cookies. Your point? "
The point is just because there available everywhere, thats not a reason to use them.(Touchy?)
The point is just because there available everywhere, thats not a reason to use them.(Touchy?)
Propflux01
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Nothing wrong with the pennzoil....but then again, maybe 400,000 with that motorcraft filter.....
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