maxlife atf

[jhellwig]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I drove the van new off the dealer lot myself and I don't use additives. After PQIA's timely test and me presenting that information, communication stopped. That's what set me off. Valvoline can kiss my [censored].

Originally Posted By: Clevy
Now who's to say the previous owner didn't add something with zinc or to be honest who knows what happened prior to oil changers ownership but the fact remains that Ashland quit talking once they got a sample of his fluid. Very interesting indeed


So how did pqia's 3ppm zinc that is within the dexron spec show that it was ashlands fault?

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: jhellwig
So how did pqia's 3ppm zinc that is within the dexron spec show that it was ashlands fault?




It likely does not. The previous zinc could of been from the previous factory fill.

It is unlikely we will ever know because no UOA was done on the factory fill that was ran
for 23,000 miles longer than factory recommendations did not help matters.

But below is UOA's of DEX III that have higher zinc levels than Maxlife VOA's.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2984359
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...etat#Post706732
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...a_De#Post873940
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...iles#Post886775
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...por#Post1024766
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2360705/2005_Chevrolet_2500_HD,_58120_#Post2360705
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=497245

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I agree that this was an honest accident by Ashland and that 99.8% of the time the product is very good. It still doesn't mean that the company shouldn't stand behind its quality and compensate OilChanger in some way to make him whole.

Even if they weren't responsible or felt they weren't responsible, it certainly could have been handled in a better way. They do seem to have been abrupt with him. Sure, they were probably right. But that's not always the point.

 

[paulo57509]

Originally Posted By: jhellwig
Someone posted a failure in the photo section of the exact same type of transmission as yours with the exact same failure munis the max life.


That someone would be me.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3324961#Post3324961

I just got finished disassembling the trans today. I just added a photo of the 3-4 clutch pack to the link above this evening. I'll post it here as well (there should be teeth where the arrows are pointing...most are gone).



I lost the 3-4 clutches shortly after I did a pan drop, filter change and re-fill with ST unlicensed Dex-III.

I'm not indicting the fluid even though I have noticed that this same ST ATF turns brown pretty quickly in Toyota PS systems.

FWIW, this transmission has had a kind of "slip-bump" 1-2 shift since it was new. There's a Trans-Go kit that was included with my rebuild kit that's supposed to fix this.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:

'If' this was a small claims court case,....


Judgment for the plaintiff.

Since it's not in small claims court, never got there and that you are judge and jury, that judgement would be from Kangaroo Court.

 

[Thermo1223]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
You're just a pot calling the kettle black. Do you really care that much what I think? I say the fluid caused the failure. I spent almost $3k to call the failure whatever I want and couldn't care less what you think.

Funny how easy it is for people like you to spend my money. How was this supposed to happen? I have someone tear the trans down and be without a vehicle even longer to find the cause and be no farther ahead so I can vindicate the MaxJunk fan boys on BITOG? I think not.

If you like that junk, use it, I'm not. If you don't like what I have to say no one is forcing you to read my posts. Just press that button that reads, "MaxJunk fan boys ignore button" and your life will return to normal.


No but you are and have been blatantly misrepresenting the facts. Just because you believe something is factual doesn't mean it actually is. I look for empirical evidence which you can't produce.

You still miss the point, a teardown occurs after replacement to determine the cause of root failure and move forward.

The fact you want people now to "press ignore" and move on just means one thing to me. You know it had nothing to do with failure and are prepared to eat crow.

Just remember I am not the one storming into discussions and spouting Maxjunk this & Maxjunk that. I can accept someone doesn't like a car brand or the like. Willfully misrepresenting the truth is something else...

 

[Thermo1223]

Also about the small claims court. When the judge finds out a un certified mechanic did the work he will lose. You would have had a lot more leg to stand on with Valvoline if a mechanic was batting for you.

It is well known in today's society that the "right way" of doing something isn't the same from person to person.

Valvoline ceased communication because it was an open/shut case to them. They knew it wasn't their products fault so they considered it closed.

 

[kschachn]

Unproven and you cannot rule out the possibilities.

1. It has extra cleaners and friction modifiers as compared to a dino product? Which dino product? All dino products or just some? Which one are we comparing against, and what do you have to show the relative concentrations?

2. What common knowledge? Common to whom?

3. No one knows if they ceased communication or not. In fact, no one really knows if communication was instigated in the first place, do we? The poster says so but I might say I had all sorts of communications that I may or not have.

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Unproven but you CANNOT rule out the possibilities.

1. With the extra cleaners and friction modifiers compared to a dino product older seals could be compromised.

2. I'm making an observation based on common knowledge, I'm not saying that it will cause this issue, but it still is a possibility.

3. I noticed that no one seems to want to address why Valvoline/Ashland suddenly ceased communication with the OP after he sent in the fluid analysis....

 

[SatinSilver]

Originally Posted By: Thermo1223
Also about the small claims court. When the judge finds out a un certified mechanic did the work he will lose. You would have had a lot more leg to stand on with Valvoline if a mechanic was batting for you.


True, but I can't help to think a large company wouldn't want the negative press of a case going to trial on a show like Judge Judy. The case can be submitted online. Even if the case has to be filed locally first then reassigned to arbitration. Here it's only $70 or so. If the plaintiff wins the case the show pays the judgment. So no worry about collecting on the judgment.

 

[InhalingBullets]

Here is my 2¢ worth!

I have used ML ATF successfully as have many, many others, there is ONE documented failure after switching to it. I also was significantly past the recommended OCI on my truck and I was well aware that because of that; the possibility of trans [censored] out was greater than zero. That chance was on me and no one else. Why did I use ML ATF? There were positive reports from several people on multiple sites and $$$. I didn't have the cash for the Toyota or Amsoil fluid because of my wife's cancer. Fortunately I did not have a problem develop and now that I am ready to change it out again I will likely go with Amsoil LV ATL because "I" believe it is probably the best stuff available.
Oil Changer had a bad experience and he does have the right to voice his displeasure. That being said I don't believe that his constant bashing and insults(Fanboys?)on every thread about ML is constructive to the site and in particular the original poster's question or experience. If the OP wants to find poor experiences with ML ATF a simple Google search will lead him right to Oil Changers Thread, in fact a search of "valvoline maxlife atf transmission failure" will only lead to one failure that is documented on the internet...Oil Changers. I feel bad that OC's trans failed and he had to shell out big bucks to fix it, that stinks and I wish nobody had to deal with that. The fact of the matter is transmissions fail all the time with the manufacturers fluid in them well before a standard OCI is warranted, much less after 100k miles.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: gmctodd
Found some gallons of maxlife atf full synthetic for 13.00 on clearance. Is it worth buying it all at this price. Apparently they don't sell it by the gallon anymore.


gmctodd,

Good price and use Maxlife with confidence.

Our apologies to you that your thread got hijacked.

 

[MrQuackers]

At $16 a jug why not do drain/fill every 20k? I used Valvoline ATF 75k D/M with great results. Always assume severe service and you'll not have to worry about a rebuild.

 

[Oil Changer]

Misrepresenting the truth? What truth? You and the others are no different than me when speaking of misrepresenting facts. You have no way of proving it wasn't the fluid yet you imply it wasn't almost to the point of certainty. The only difference between you and I is that I spent $2700 to call it whatever I want. If you can't understand that, too bad.


Originally Posted By: Thermo1223
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
You're just a pot calling the kettle black. Do you really care that much what I think? I say the fluid caused the failure. I spent almost $3k to call the failure whatever I want and couldn't care less what you think.

Funny how easy it is for people like you to spend my money. How was this supposed to happen? I have someone tear the trans down and be without a vehicle even longer to find the cause and be no farther ahead so I can vindicate the MaxJunk fan boys on BITOG? I think not.

If you like that junk, use it, I'm not. If you don't like what I have to say no one is forcing you to read my posts. Just press that button that reads, "MaxJunk fan boys ignore button" and your life will return to normal.


No but you are and have been blatantly misrepresenting the facts. Just because you believe something is factual doesn't mean it actually is. I look for empirical evidence which you can't produce.

You still miss the point, a teardown occurs after replacement to determine the cause of root failure and move forward.

The fact you want people now to "press ignore" and move on just means one thing to me. You know it had nothing to do with failure and are prepared to eat crow.

Just remember I am not the one storming into discussions and spouting Maxjunk this & Maxjunk that. I can accept someone doesn't like a car brand or the like. Willfully misrepresenting the truth is something else...

 

[Oil Changer]

I just read the link. This is a guy I can relate to:

"I don't listen to any advice or recommendations, especially from this site. grin

I've been a Pennzoil fan all my life (+45 years).

I've never used Valvoline products. Wait...I do have a tube of Valvoline chassis grease someplace. I think it's new. I don't even recall why I purchased it.

I will say that Valvoline Dev VI will be the fill of choice once I'm finished with the rebuild. So this will be a first for me.

Hate on....."

And the inside of my pan did not look like that. So you picked a bad example.

Originally Posted By: jhellwig
Someone posted a failure in the photo section of the exact same type of transmission as yours with the exact same failure munis the max life.

 

[antiqueshell]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Misrepresenting the truth? What truth? You and the others are no different than me when speaking of misrepresenting facts. You have no way of proving it wasn't the fluid yet you imply it wasn't almost to the point of certainty. The only difference between you and I is that I spent $2700 to call it whatever I want. If you can't understand that, too bad.



And indeed those people have done everything they can to
"pile on" and make it seem like they have an authoritative right to make such judgment on your situation. That is typical of
stealth marketing operations. Coincidence? Maybe not.

I still say the "smoking gun" that goes in your favor is when after a number of communications between you and Ashland when the fluid analysis was submitted the company immediately ceased further interaction with you, I say that clearly indicates their fear of being found liable for the failure. Their legal department
put the brakes on because they feared a lawsuit, which I believe they thought had a good chance of being found in your favor.

 

[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Misrepresenting the truth? What truth? You and the others are no different than me when speaking of misrepresenting facts. You have no way of proving it wasn't the fluid yet you imply it wasn't almost to the point of certainty. The only difference between you and I is that I spent $2700 to call it whatever I want. If you can't understand that, too bad.



And indeed those people have done everything they can to
"pile on" and make it seem like they have an authoritative right to make such judgment on your situation. That is typical of
stealth marketing operations. Coincidence? Maybe not.

I still say the "smoking gun" that goes in your favor is when after a number of communications between you and Ashland when the fluid analysis was submitted the company immediately ceased further interaction with you, I say that clearly indicates their fear of being found liable for the failure. Their legal department
put the brakes on because they feared a lawsuit, which I believe they thought had a good chance of being found in your favor.


Wow, how many conspiracy theories do you come up with every day? Have you ever sat down and counted them? Next you are going to be saying that the Israeli govt contaminated this Maxlife sample in preparation for their stealing that airliner.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
The only difference between you and I is that I spent $2700 to call it whatever I want.


Spending money does not entitle anyone to say whatever they want when there is no facts present to validate said claims.

 

[antiqueshell]

Originally Posted By: Nate1979


Wow, how many conspiracy theories do you come up with every day? Have you ever sat down and counted them? Next you are going to be saying that the Israeli govt contaminated this Maxlife sample in preparation for their stealing that airliner.


The "cheap shots" don't take anything away from what I have said.
After all, that is a strategy commonly used.

 

[dave1251]

What is your opinion on the subject that because a person spent money, therefore a person can call whatever shot they want? Even if there is not facts to support a person's statement.

 

[antiqueshell]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
What is your opinion on the subject that because a person spent money, therefore a person can call whatever shot they want? Even if there is not facts to support a person's statement.


I'm sure you noticed that my focus is on the fact that
once O.C. submitted the fluid sample to Ashland the company stopped communicating with him. That is certainly a HUGE red flag.

In another post O.C. states that he had his transaxle torn down and inspected by GM and the manufacturer concluded that the failure was not the result of mechanical failure, which leaves the fluid as the most likely suspect. The sample indicating a lot of zinc in the fresh fluid change and the fact that Ashland ceased communicating with O.C. is enough evidence for me to conclude that the fluid was the likely cause because it was defective.