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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Even with ignore i can still see others quotes from the ignored person.


The tread would be shorter if it didnt tell you that you are ignoring him on every one of his posts.
 
It's because secretly, you guys live for this stuff. That's why you came back. You couldn't wait to see what I wrote. It's human nature, I understand. I do it too.

Originally Posted By: jhellwig
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Even with ignore i can still see others quotes from the ignored person.


The tread would be shorter if it didnt tell you that you are ignoring him on every one of his posts.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Only God knows. All I know is I won't buy anything from that company ever again.

As I mentioned in the original thread, I'd lead towards not blaming the fluid, but I certainly understand your point and frustration. Where I'd be peeved is if the bottle were mislabeled (or contaminated at the factory) and weren't proper MaxLife ATF, and then Ashland tested it and denied the claim because it wasn't proper MaxLife ATF. Obviously, one cannot be expected to test that a fluid is serviceable and matching the label before using it.

But we'll never know for sure what went wrong, and it's very perplexing. Stuff happens, unfortunately.
 
I would agree if I had bought it from Wal-Mart but it was fresh off the shelf at AAP. Another case of poor Ashland QC but according to the other members I'm wrong for saying that even though it's hard to get one of their products past the PQIA tests.

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Only God knows. All I know is I won't buy anything from that company ever again.

As I mentioned in the original thread, I'd lead towards not blaming the fluid, but I certainly understand your point and frustration. Where I'd be peeved is if the bottle were mislabeled (or contaminated at the factory) and weren't proper MaxLife ATF, and then Ashland tested it and denied the claim because it wasn't proper MaxLife ATF. Obviously, one cannot be expected to test that a fluid is serviceable and matching the label before using it.

But we'll never know for sure what went wrong, and it's very perplexing. Stuff happens, unfortunately.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I would agree if I had bought it from Wal-Mart but it was fresh off the shelf at AAP. Another case of poor Ashland QC but according to the other members I'm wrong for saying that even though it's hard to get one of their products past the PQIA tests.

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Only God knows. All I know is I won't buy anything from that company ever again.

As I mentioned in the original thread, I'd lead towards not blaming the fluid, but I certainly understand your point and frustration. Where I'd be peeved is if the bottle were mislabeled (or contaminated at the factory) and weren't proper MaxLife ATF, and then Ashland tested it and denied the claim because it wasn't proper MaxLife ATF. Obviously, one cannot be expected to test that a fluid is serviceable and matching the label before using it.

But we'll never know for sure what went wrong, and it's very perplexing. Stuff happens, unfortunately.


It did not help matters you were behind by over 20,000 miles on a factory fill fluid replacement with DEX III.
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
DEX III was not intended to be a 100K mile ATF. 50K was the maximum service interval recommended by GM for a 2005 Chevy Astro. 30K on severe service schedule it is right here for everyone to see.


http://www.manualowl.com/am/Chevrolet/2005-Astro/Manual/383


30-35K miles would be a maximum ATF interval for me. Maybe under perfect conditions I'd stretch it a little longer. But I never see perfect conditions.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: dave1251
DEX III was not intended to be a 100K mile ATF. 50K was the maximum service interval recommended by GM for a 2005 Chevy Astro. 30K on severe service schedule it is right here for everyone to see.


http://www.manualowl.com/am/Chevrolet/2005-Astro/Manual/383


30-35K miles would be a maximum ATF interval for me. Maybe under perfect conditions I'd stretch it a little longer. But I never see perfect conditions.


Exactly!

DexronIII in any flavor did not have the modern anti-oxidants, nor the better base oils, nor the higher stability FM's that DexronVI has.

30k was even a stretch back then.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
It's III-H and the FSM says 100k non-severe.

Originally Posted By: dave1251
DEX III was not intended to be a 100K mile ATF. 50K was the maximum service interval recommended by GM for a 2005 Chevy Astro. 30K on severe service schedule it is right here for everyone to see.


http://www.manualowl.com/am/Chevrolet/2005-Astro/Manual/383


The owners manual still recommends a fluid change of DexronIII-H at a maximum of 50K miles.
 
Not the service manual.

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
It's III-H and the FSM says 100k non-severe.

Originally Posted By: dave1251
DEX III was not intended to be a 100K mile ATF. 50K was the maximum service interval recommended by GM for a 2005 Chevy Astro. 30K on severe service schedule it is right here for everyone to see.


http://www.manualowl.com/am/Chevrolet/2005-Astro/Manual/383


The owners manual still recommends a fluid change of DexronIII-H at a maximum of 50K miles.
 
Originally Posted By: Thermo1223

You used the right fluid and it still broke, mechanical failure pure & simple.


Where is YOUR proof that it was purely mechanical and not a
defective MaxLife ATF fluid?

I'm starting to think that this thread is loaded with
Ashland stealth marketing jockies
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: dave1251
DEX III was not intended to be a 100K mile ATF. 50K was the maximum service interval recommended by GM for a 2005 Chevy Astro. 30K on severe service schedule it is right here for everyone to see.


http://www.manualowl.com/am/Chevrolet/2005-Astro/Manual/383


30-35K miles would be a maximum ATF interval for me. Maybe under perfect conditions I'd stretch it a little longer. But I never see perfect conditions.


Exactly!

DexronIII in any flavor did not have the modern anti-oxidants, nor the better base oils, nor the higher stability FM's that DexronVI has.

30k was even a stretch back then.


In my neck of the woods non-severe service use doesn't exist for probably 99%+ of the population, so I don't even consider it. Honeslty I wouldn't be comfortable with a 50K interval for anything from that year unless it had a cooler and a remote filtering system for the transmission. If I had that kind of setup I'd get a UOA to determine the service interval.
 
I am going to run my valvoline dex 6 50k and that is more than I was comfortable with. I changed the factory fill at 25k. Better safe than sorry.
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I'm starting to think that this thread is loaded with
Ashland stealth marketing jockies
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I have a honest question. How are you able to function with everything in this world being a conspiracy in your believe? I can only imagine this would cause a person to lead a very unhappy unfruitful life? How can you do it?
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Not the service manual.

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
It's III-H and the FSM says 100k non-severe.

Originally Posted By: dave1251
DEX III was not intended to be a 100K mile ATF. 50K was the maximum service interval recommended by GM for a 2005 Chevy Astro. 30K on severe service schedule it is right here for everyone to see.


http://www.manualowl.com/am/Chevrolet/2005-Astro/Manual/383


The owners manual still recommends a fluid change of DexronIII-H at a maximum of 50K miles.


Someone posted a failure in the photo section of the exact same type of transmission as yours with the exact same failure munis the max life.
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I'm starting to think that this thread is loaded with
Ashland stealth marketing jockies
crazy2.gif
hooked.gif



I have a honest question. How are you able to function with everything in this world being a conspiracy in your believe? I can only imagine this would cause a person to lead a very unhappy unfruitful life? How can you do it?


Because often times many scenarios ARE in fact conspiracies.
I'm in good company too because Thomas Jefferson agreed.

I find facing the stark realities in life "invigorating".
Don't you?

I live for the truth, it makes unpleasant realities easier to deal with. Adding a dash of justice doesn't hurt either.
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In any case lets get back to the issue at hand...

I agree that OilChanger's transmission might have been slightly worn due to the extended time that it was on the old ATF, however I do agree with him that it is likely that the out of spec new fluid from Valvoline was final nail in the coffin, if the replacement fluid had not been defective it is likely that the unit would have continued operating for many more tens of thousands of miles.

Again like the OP stated as soon as he sent them the analysis of the MaxLife fluid with INCORRECT additives in it) Ashland clammed up. That tends to signal their potential liability.
 
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Summarizing this thread regarding ML ATF. There is a large majority of Bitog members including myself (in Honda/Toyota) that have successfully used ML Dex/Merc, like ML ATF and find it to be a solid value.

There is one member that had a transmission failure after changing to and/or using ML. Whether that was caused by ML I suppose depends on ones perspective. Based on my reading of the incident there were too many variables to blame ML, but that's just my opinion.

And then there's one poster that consistently posts unproven speculation(s) of what might happen by using MaxLife because it's a full synthetic fluid. None of those speculations have been proven accurate in real world use by a large majority of members that have been using ML over significant miles, even in applications like Honda AT's that have a reputation as being something less than reliable. My.02
 
The cause of my transmission failure was what? Were you there? Did you do a teardown and inspection? So how do you know how my transmission failed?

Originally Posted By: jhellwig
Someone posted a failure in the photo section of the exact same type of transmission as yours with the exact same failure munis the max life.
 
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