Without a doubt Walmart is one of the cheapest places to buy M1. In my area it is about $22 for a 5 qt jug. Does anyone feel the power of Walmart to set pricing forced XOM to cheapen their cost in making M1. I know XOM makes billions, but like any large corporation, the M1 department could be far less profitable and come under pressure. They could have been mandated to get their product to a certain profit margin, and couldn't do it without cutting their cost in making the product. Pure speculation, but we've seen Walmart force the hand of other corporations.
M1 and Walmart pricing
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Anything is possible! But my best guess is that Wally Worrld sells the most M-1 ... so they get it the cheapest. Volume discounting has been going on here since Magellan and Christopher Columbus set foot in America.
Since most of us seem to get our M1 at Wal-Mart, if they get XOM to tinker with the formula, pretty quick it will show up on someone's UOA. I wouldn't worry about it.
FWIW, the K-Mart near my house sells M1 in 4 quart jugs for about the same price as Wal-Mart sells 5 quarts.
FWIW, the K-Mart near my house sells M1 in 4 quart jugs for about the same price as Wal-Mart sells 5 quarts.
There's big talks right now that Mobil has indeed changed their formula, backing Mobil 1 down to group III (same as a high quality conventional oil) but have neglected to come down on their price. There's a LOT of folks in the oil community (BobIsTheOilGuy.com) that are switching brands because of this, either to Penzoil Platinum, a now equal oil at a lesser price, or stepping up to Redline / Amsoil as they are true Group V synthetics. I myself may be switching to Redline. If I'm gonna pay a lot, I'm gonna have the best. I may also just settle for Penzoil Platinum, but as of right now, Mobil 1 is off my shopping list.
$22 for 5 qts and the moths in their pocket gang are crying foul. Bwahaaaaaaa Unreal
For $22, what does one expect, a jug full of group IV ?
The problem is, we don't know if M1 has ever been Group IV in the recent past. We really don't know how long it has been Group III.
Thats it!
Walmart MADE Mobil cheapen their oil quality!
Every one hates Walmart and loves Mobil..
lets see what people think about that!
Take care, bill
Walmart MADE Mobil cheapen their oil quality!
Every one hates Walmart and loves Mobil..
lets see what people think about that!
Take care, bill
If you look at the early SL/GF-3 specs, you can be fairly certain that it was at least a majority PAO based product.
Ok...for us dummies out here, when did Mobil 1 change back to Grp III ?
What proof / documented evidence ?
And we should demand they change their web site if it is the case....
Does the Mobil 1 Extended Performance meet GF-4 specifications? How did the new specification impact the development of the high-endurance product line?
Mobil 1 Extended Performance contains an extra performance additive to help deliver exceptional performance and protection. This fully synthetic technology is designed specifically for longer service intervals. Appropriate viscosities of Mobil 1 Extended Performance also meet all the requirements for GF-4. Additionally, they exceed the requirements of API SL/CF and various ACEA (European) specifications. (Updated March 2006)
Tom NJ was apparently piddling around in the lab with a "gas chromo" (equipment for doing one type of chromatography):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatography
It allows a chemist to separate mixes of molecules and determine in general the makeup of the mix and the relative percentages of various molecules in it.
He believes he found Group III in two viscosities of Mobil 1 EP. I am still not clear on why he would subject his personal motor oil to a GC, but when you feel the need to piddle, you've got to piddle.
This could mean:
- Mobil 1 EP is formulated using Group III
- Mobil 1 EP is not normally formulated using Group III but these samples were for some reason
- Tom NJ made some error in procedure or interpretation
- Things were getting dull and Tom thought he'd stir things up
From this bit of anecdotal evidence an entire conspiracy theory has arisen, one in which ExxonMobil removed all or a substantial portion of the PAO from each and every Mobil 1 and Delvac 1 product.
UOAs posted on Mobil 1 products recently do not look different than UOAs posted a year or more ago.
ExxonMobil's help desk folks have pointed BITOGERs to their public information, wisely in my opinion, which had led to even more outrage.
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Patman
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Of course they don't, because this is obviously a recent change, as he's stated that the date code shows that the oil was produced in the last month or so. So that doesn't give anyone on here enough time to have run a full interval and UOA on the newest stuff just yet.
Patman
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If you choose not to trust Tom's many years of experience, then that's your perogative. We obviously can't convince you otherwise, so all I can say is, time will tell.
Patman
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And you think what you said about Tom piddling around in the lab is polite? If I were Tom I'd take serious offence to the way you're treating him on here. Tom has many years of experience in what he does, so if he tested out two samples of Mobil 1 which have group 3 in it, I trust him. You seem to be the only one who doesn't trust him, and I don't know why.
We just want to get to the facts here, and it's obvious we're not going to get those facts from talking to anyone who works at Exxon/Mobil.
I personally think you just like stirring the pot on here.
Tom's experience is not at issue.
I have no doubt that if Tom were doing an analysis for Hatco as part of his job he could provide the exact makeup and percentage of each identified component.
But he said he was just checking it out for his own interest, took no measurements, can't provide more details, and so on. This was his personal oil which, for some reason, he was just running some GCs on.
And it was two samples of one formula.
Years of experience don't make two samples of one formula any more meaningful.
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Patman
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How many samples does he need to test before you'll trust his results? 100?
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