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M-1 oils.....make engines noiser ???
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Complete manure.
One 0W-20 is not going to be any "noisier" than another 0W-20. It is all in your head.
One 0W-20 is not going to be any "noisier" than another 0W-20. It is all in your head.
I've found when using some m1 products that the valve trains acoustics may increase however more noise is meaningless.
Some oils insulate sound better than others. It has no effect on wear nor does it mean the product is in some way lesser quality.
My old 04 ram hemi had 280k when I totalled it. I was a Mobil hater and would trash it at every opportunity.
However tig convinced me to try the w-20 afe flavour. It was the dead of winter so I figured what the heck.
The previous oil fill was some high vi oil caterham had mentioned. The first start up with afe the engine had a pronounced bottom end knock. Almost diesel sounding.
So I ran the oil til spring(6000 miles or so however there was lots of idle hours)and tried defy 5w--20. The knock. Immediately disappeared.
That truck even with those high miles and the previous owner was a farmer and towed his horses all over the prairies still ran like a scalded ape. Even with afe it didn't consume a noticeable amount of oil and it broke my heart when it was totalled off because it easily had another couple hundred thousand left I her.
My point is whether the acoustics increase or decrease there is no correlation to to a wear increase.
I changed my tune about Mobil products when I let go of my preconceived notions and let the certifications do the talking.
Then I really began to learn about oil and used oil analysis. Thankfully there were more knowledgeable members here who had enough patience to explain the intracasies of various topics and with their guidance I began to see with open eyes.
One of those topics was noise. And if more noise means more wear. It doesn't.
Heck it's been my experience that conventional oils were the quietest running out there. Doug Hillary was an enormous resourse too. I went back a decades worth of his posts and this guy has forgotten more about lubrication,oil analysis and wear trending than pretty much every member on bitog will ever know(Theres a few exceptions. They know who they are)
So to answer the question of m1 contributes to a louder running engine that answer is a solid possibly. It depends on the oils used previously. If all you've ever used was m1 you've got nothing to compare against.
The bigger question is does a more noisy running engine translate to additional wear and that's a resounding no,with a caviat.
It's a no as long as the oil is the correct spec. And does m1 even produce any oil that doesn't carry an oem cert.
Some oils insulate sound better than others. It has no effect on wear nor does it mean the product is in some way lesser quality.
My old 04 ram hemi had 280k when I totalled it. I was a Mobil hater and would trash it at every opportunity.
However tig convinced me to try the w-20 afe flavour. It was the dead of winter so I figured what the heck.
The previous oil fill was some high vi oil caterham had mentioned. The first start up with afe the engine had a pronounced bottom end knock. Almost diesel sounding.
So I ran the oil til spring(6000 miles or so however there was lots of idle hours)and tried defy 5w--20. The knock. Immediately disappeared.
That truck even with those high miles and the previous owner was a farmer and towed his horses all over the prairies still ran like a scalded ape. Even with afe it didn't consume a noticeable amount of oil and it broke my heart when it was totalled off because it easily had another couple hundred thousand left I her.
My point is whether the acoustics increase or decrease there is no correlation to to a wear increase.
I changed my tune about Mobil products when I let go of my preconceived notions and let the certifications do the talking.
Then I really began to learn about oil and used oil analysis. Thankfully there were more knowledgeable members here who had enough patience to explain the intracasies of various topics and with their guidance I began to see with open eyes.
One of those topics was noise. And if more noise means more wear. It doesn't.
Heck it's been my experience that conventional oils were the quietest running out there. Doug Hillary was an enormous resourse too. I went back a decades worth of his posts and this guy has forgotten more about lubrication,oil analysis and wear trending than pretty much every member on bitog will ever know(Theres a few exceptions. They know who they are)
So to answer the question of m1 contributes to a louder running engine that answer is a solid possibly. It depends on the oils used previously. If all you've ever used was m1 you've got nothing to compare against.
The bigger question is does a more noisy running engine translate to additional wear and that's a resounding no,with a caviat.
It's a no as long as the oil is the correct spec. And does m1 even produce any oil that doesn't carry an oem cert.
Originally Posted By: car51
Oregoonian: have you ever tried the older different decal scheme QSED? It's their synblend and I have 3 jugs that Wal mart clearances for $13 and its 2/21/2014 stuff. That may go in the 03' Taurus of mine. This is 5w20 synblend
Have never tried a syn-blend, but I'm thinking of going to one sometime after my vehicle reached 150K or so.
Thought I'd go with Motorcraft, who I understand has a 0w20 syn-blend.....Motorcraft seems to be getting excellent UOA's. I will consider QSED as well.
Oregoonian: have you ever tried the older different decal scheme QSED? It's their synblend and I have 3 jugs that Wal mart clearances for $13 and its 2/21/2014 stuff. That may go in the 03' Taurus of mine. This is 5w20 synblend
Have never tried a syn-blend, but I'm thinking of going to one sometime after my vehicle reached 150K or so.
Thought I'd go with Motorcraft, who I understand has a 0w20 syn-blend.....Motorcraft seems to be getting excellent UOA's. I will consider QSED as well.
Originally Posted By: stchman
Complete manure.
One 0W-20 is not going to be any "noisier" than another 0W-20. It is all in your head.
Have you tested your "theory" out on many engines ??? If not, your statement is just [censored], as many of your other post have been.
Apparently a number of responders to this post say otherwise.
Complete manure.
One 0W-20 is not going to be any "noisier" than another 0W-20. It is all in your head.
Have you tested your "theory" out on many engines ??? If not, your statement is just [censored], as many of your other post have been.
Apparently a number of responders to this post say otherwise.
Clevy.....thanks for your input to the question of' noiser engines'.
I guess my thinking is; even if the nosier engine has no effect on wear.....I prefer a quieter engine.
I'm nor putting M-1 oils down, as I think and know they are top tier lubricants...... but hearing the difference in noise (with others verifying), when I switched to QSUD, was enough for me to continue to make a switch to a 'quieter' oil.
I guess my thinking is; even if the nosier engine has no effect on wear.....I prefer a quieter engine.
I'm nor putting M-1 oils down, as I think and know they are top tier lubricants...... but hearing the difference in noise (with others verifying), when I switched to QSUD, was enough for me to continue to make a switch to a 'quieter' oil.
Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
If no significant noise difference can be measured between 10W60 and 0W40, I highly doubt there's any difference between brands of the same weight. But go ahead, keep on telling yourself you can distiguish noise change that machines can't.
You must be as FOS as I am according to Oregoonian.
Originally Posted By: geekster
I switched both my wife's and my car to M1 and noticed no difference in noise. Wife's car was using HGMO and mine was using PP prior.
Obviously you too are as FOS as I am as well.
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: stchman
Complete manure.
One 0W-20 is not going to be any "noisier" than another 0W-20. It is all in your head.
Have you tested your "theory" out on many engines ??? If not, your statement is just [censored], as many of your other post have been.
Apparently a number of responders to this post say otherwise.
Apparently I am not alone in the same viscosity oil being quieter than another thing.
I am getting called full of [censored] when you are sitting around claiming that oils "sound" different.
If no significant noise difference can be measured between 10W60 and 0W40, I highly doubt there's any difference between brands of the same weight. But go ahead, keep on telling yourself you can distiguish noise change that machines can't.
You must be as FOS as I am according to Oregoonian.
Originally Posted By: geekster
I switched both my wife's and my car to M1 and noticed no difference in noise. Wife's car was using HGMO and mine was using PP prior.
Obviously you too are as FOS as I am as well.
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: stchman
Complete manure.
One 0W-20 is not going to be any "noisier" than another 0W-20. It is all in your head.
Have you tested your "theory" out on many engines ??? If not, your statement is just [censored], as many of your other post have been.
Apparently a number of responders to this post say otherwise.
Apparently I am not alone in the same viscosity oil being quieter than another thing.
I am getting called full of [censored] when you are sitting around claiming that oils "sound" different.
+1000, plenty of manure already spread in this thread.
Oregoonian: I may just use the MC synblend 5w20 or even 5w30 since Wal marts in my area now have it. Never heard a bad thing said about it. I'd feel fine goin to 8 or 9,000 MILES on it
Oregoonian: I may just use the MC synblend 5w20 or even 5w30 since Wal marts in my area now have it. Never heard a bad thing said about it. I'd feel fine goin to 8 or 9,000 MILES on it
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: car51
Oregoonian: have you ever tried the older different decal scheme QSED? It's their synblend and I have 3 jugs that Wal mart clearances for $13 and its 2/21/2014 stuff. That may go in the 03' Taurus of mine. This is 5w20 synblend
Have never tried a syn-blend, but I'm thinking of going to one sometime after my vehicle reached 150K or so.
Thought I'd go with Motorcraft, who I understand has a 0w20 syn-blend.....Motorcraft seems to be getting excellent UOA's. I will consider QSED as well.
you want to try a super quiet syn-blend? Try Trop Artic in 5w20. TA is always so quiet in engines i've used it in.
Originally Posted By: car51
Oregoonian: have you ever tried the older different decal scheme QSED? It's their synblend and I have 3 jugs that Wal mart clearances for $13 and its 2/21/2014 stuff. That may go in the 03' Taurus of mine. This is 5w20 synblend
Have never tried a syn-blend, but I'm thinking of going to one sometime after my vehicle reached 150K or so.
Thought I'd go with Motorcraft, who I understand has a 0w20 syn-blend.....Motorcraft seems to be getting excellent UOA's. I will consider QSED as well.
you want to try a super quiet syn-blend? Try Trop Artic in 5w20. TA is always so quiet in engines i've used it in.
Good luck finding TA in Pennsylvania. I'm biting on some under $4/quart MC 0w20 synblend
. Eat your heart out guys! LOL
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Clevy.....thanks for your input to the question of' noiser engines'.
I guess my thinking is; even if the nosier engine has no effect on wear.....I prefer a quieter engine.
I'm nor putting M-1 oils down, as I think and know they are top tier lubricants...... but hearing the difference in noise (with others verifying), when I switched to QSUD, was enough for me to continue to make a switch to a 'quieter' oil.
Well that's your choice to make. I haven't seen any evidence that "noisier" oil shortens engine life however I stand by my statement that oils of the same grade can vary an engines acoustics.
Usually it's the valve train that taps a bit louder however based on the old hemi the knock was distinct and obvious
Because not 2 engines are identical each one may have slightly different acoustics. Today's engines have big plastic covers and lots of sound deadening installed so if there is an increase in acoustics it's entirely possible it goes unnoticed by most people,however to say someone is full of it is basically calling them a liar.
And that is going over a line.
We share experiences here and for the most part we get along,and each persons input is important. This past month I've seen,and been party to a lot of derogatory posting and it's becoming evident the spirit of bitog is changing for the worse.
I've been here many years and over those years we've had epic threads where the discussions got heated but each person was treated with respect and everyone learned something.
Today seems less about learning. Why come to an engine oil site and not keep an open mind. I've learned a ton since joining.
We used to have a fairly large group of posters who shared. Now I see many of them don't post as much if at all anymore and I think it's sad.
This site used to be about exchanging ideas and in depth talks where guys would do weird experiments and share their experiences and everyone got something from the conversation.
I'm not up on any soapbox,I'm not innocent not am I claiming as such.
What I am saying is that in my years here it's been a rarity for me to talk trash to people and get my dander up,however I've posted in a negative fashion more this month than in all the previous months since I joined and that's saying something.
This place has changed. If I wanted to talk trash and be a jerk there's lots of Honda and mustang forums I could do that in
I come here because it used to be held to a higher standard where the whole point was to share
Lately I'm not seeing much sharing
And that saddens me.
Where once was a discussion I now see bickering. Where once was an honest exchange I now see trash talk.
Perhaps it comes with growth. We have a lot more people with attitudes who have strongly held beliefs that we expose as nonsense,and it's all downhill from there.
There is a core group here that have extensive knowledge that I rarely see post anymore,and it's those guys who should be posting the most because of their vast experience.
When we lose the guys that ARE the knowledge base all we've got left is a forum that posts incorrect info and perpetuates myth and tripe.
I need a nap. Sorry for the thread jack.
Clevy.....thanks for your input to the question of' noiser engines'.
I guess my thinking is; even if the nosier engine has no effect on wear.....I prefer a quieter engine.
I'm nor putting M-1 oils down, as I think and know they are top tier lubricants...... but hearing the difference in noise (with others verifying), when I switched to QSUD, was enough for me to continue to make a switch to a 'quieter' oil.
Well that's your choice to make. I haven't seen any evidence that "noisier" oil shortens engine life however I stand by my statement that oils of the same grade can vary an engines acoustics.
Usually it's the valve train that taps a bit louder however based on the old hemi the knock was distinct and obvious
Because not 2 engines are identical each one may have slightly different acoustics. Today's engines have big plastic covers and lots of sound deadening installed so if there is an increase in acoustics it's entirely possible it goes unnoticed by most people,however to say someone is full of it is basically calling them a liar.
And that is going over a line.
We share experiences here and for the most part we get along,and each persons input is important. This past month I've seen,and been party to a lot of derogatory posting and it's becoming evident the spirit of bitog is changing for the worse.
I've been here many years and over those years we've had epic threads where the discussions got heated but each person was treated with respect and everyone learned something.
Today seems less about learning. Why come to an engine oil site and not keep an open mind. I've learned a ton since joining.
We used to have a fairly large group of posters who shared. Now I see many of them don't post as much if at all anymore and I think it's sad.
This site used to be about exchanging ideas and in depth talks where guys would do weird experiments and share their experiences and everyone got something from the conversation.
I'm not up on any soapbox,I'm not innocent not am I claiming as such.
What I am saying is that in my years here it's been a rarity for me to talk trash to people and get my dander up,however I've posted in a negative fashion more this month than in all the previous months since I joined and that's saying something.
This place has changed. If I wanted to talk trash and be a jerk there's lots of Honda and mustang forums I could do that in
I come here because it used to be held to a higher standard where the whole point was to share
Lately I'm not seeing much sharing
And that saddens me.
Where once was a discussion I now see bickering. Where once was an honest exchange I now see trash talk.
Perhaps it comes with growth. We have a lot more people with attitudes who have strongly held beliefs that we expose as nonsense,and it's all downhill from there.
There is a core group here that have extensive knowledge that I rarely see post anymore,and it's those guys who should be posting the most because of their vast experience.
When we lose the guys that ARE the knowledge base all we've got left is a forum that posts incorrect info and perpetuates myth and tripe.
I need a nap. Sorry for the thread jack.
Clevy: thanks for your inputs. I value your experiences and opinions
Originally Posted By: robertcope
Eyewitness accounts are among the least accurate pieces of evidence. There have been many studies demonstrating this. Which is why I suggested measuring it with a readily available instrument. Apparently that is a silly idea, though. What is really silly is the number of people that hee and haw about this but refuse to actually prove it despite claiming that the difference is "dramatic"; if it is so dramatic, measuring it, even with crude instrumentation, should be easy.
Remember that the human ear can detect a difference at around 10% (0.4db):
Eyewitness accounts are among the least accurate pieces of evidence. There have been many studies demonstrating this. Which is why I suggested measuring it with a readily available instrument. Apparently that is a silly idea, though. What is really silly is the number of people that hee and haw about this but refuse to actually prove it despite claiming that the difference is "dramatic"; if it is so dramatic, measuring it, even with crude instrumentation, should be easy.
Remember that the human ear can detect a difference at around 10% (0.4db):
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
"Everybody"?
Yeah everybody. Where you been ?
"Everybody"?
Yeah everybody. Where you been ?
I have Mobil Super Synthetic in the wife's sump. I can not tell the difference between Motorcraft, PYB, FS, FSS, PU, QSAD, Maxlife, or MSS.
Back in the late 90's and early 2000's when I did use Mobil 1, I could definitely tell a difference in engine noise levels in my 98 chevy truck with the 5.7L and in the 98 Grand Prix GT with the 3800 V6 that my ex-wife drove at the time. They both were more noisy. I even took my truck in to the dealer because the engine started making a tapping sound like a lifter was bad. They found nothing wrong.
I later switched back to a conventional oil in both vehicles and the tapping noise in my truck disappeared and both engines became much quieter.
I still own the 98 chevy truck with 130,000 original miles on it and the engine is quiet with no tapping noises.
Maybe it was all a coincidence but to this day I don't use Mobil 1 or any full synthetics for that matter.
Wayne
I later switched back to a conventional oil in both vehicles and the tapping noise in my truck disappeared and both engines became much quieter.
I still own the 98 chevy truck with 130,000 original miles on it and the engine is quiet with no tapping noises.
Maybe it was all a coincidence but to this day I don't use Mobil 1 or any full synthetics for that matter.
Wayne
Originally Posted By: bbhero
Very well stated man. I always appreciate your knowledge, thoughts and ideas of things a lot too.
+1 I too have seen the overall quality of the forum slide since i joined a few years ago. I've still been able to learn a lot, however.
Very well stated man. I always appreciate your knowledge, thoughts and ideas of things a lot too.
+1 I too have seen the overall quality of the forum slide since i joined a few years ago. I've still been able to learn a lot, however.
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: fscarano
Originally Posted By: car51
Yeah, I have heard that some oils with boron and moly can be noticibaly quieter than others. My 97' Bonneville is quiet on Maxlife or even Magnatec 5w30 so dunno
QSUD quieted the engine from M1? What is your OCI with QSUD? I plan on a 7500 mi OCI on QSUD.
Thanks for verifying that QSUD quites engines. I believe it has high moly content, so that might be the reason.
I intend to do an OCI between 7500 and 8000 miles. I currently have 1100 miles on the QSUD fill.
I wasn't verifying anything. There was a question mark meaning it was a question not a statement. I've heard M1 is a nois·y oil. I can not verify this.. Just what I was told. I was also told to avoid M1 products....
Originally Posted By: fscarano
Originally Posted By: car51
Yeah, I have heard that some oils with boron and moly can be noticibaly quieter than others. My 97' Bonneville is quiet on Maxlife or even Magnatec 5w30 so dunno
QSUD quieted the engine from M1? What is your OCI with QSUD? I plan on a 7500 mi OCI on QSUD.
Thanks for verifying that QSUD quites engines. I believe it has high moly content, so that might be the reason.
I intend to do an OCI between 7500 and 8000 miles. I currently have 1100 miles on the QSUD fill.
I wasn't verifying anything. There was a question mark meaning it was a question not a statement. I've heard M1 is a nois·y oil. I can not verify this.. Just what I was told. I was also told to avoid M1 products....
I can definitely tell a difference between some oils in some engines, but many also do not seem to make a difference.
I too was a M1 hater for quite a while as my first experience with it was not great. The over the top Mobil can do no wrong fanboys on here still annoy me.
I have however greatly loosened up on my opinion of M1. I plan to put the KIA on 10k OCIs at 60k and due to price and a availability M1 is the current front runner though I have not pulled the trigger on anything yet.
I too was a M1 hater for quite a while as my first experience with it was not great. The over the top Mobil can do no wrong fanboys on here still annoy me.
I have however greatly loosened up on my opinion of M1. I plan to put the KIA on 10k OCIs at 60k and due to price and a availability M1 is the current front runner though I have not pulled the trigger on anything yet.
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