Lubro-Moly Anti-friction additives

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Originally Posted By: Vikas
Some report here where it is claimed that Moly stays around for a long time concerns me little bit though.

If there's any residual moly sticking to internal metal parts, reducing friction and wear even during the next oil drain interval, that's a good thing and not a cause for concern.
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Some report here where it is claimed that Moly stays around for a long time concerns me little bit though.

If there's any residual moly sticking to internal metal parts, reducing friction and wear even during the next oil drain interval, that's a good thing and not a cause for concern.

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OK, I put it in 1999 Camry. I definitely did not get the effect that Chevrofreak had i.e. no instant gratification for me. I also put the Lubromolly valve cleaner in the gas tank. Their containers make you feel that you are treating your car with some top of the line chemicals, I hope the car appreciates German made and packaged elixirs :-)

Seriously, packaging is stellar on them. I still can't believe NAP is making any money on them at the price they are selling it for.

NAPA charges quite a lot for Fuel System Cleaner made by LubroMolly but other products are dirt cheap.

- Vikas
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
OK, I put it in 1999 Camry. I definitely did not get the effect that Chevrofreak had i.e. no instant gratification for me. I also put the Lubromolly valve cleaner in the gas tank. Their containers make you feel that you are treating your car with some top of the line chemicals, I hope the car appreciates German made and packaged elixirs :-)

Seriously, packaging is stellar on them. I still can't believe NAP is making any money on them at the price they are selling it for.

NAPA charges quite a lot for Fuel System Cleaner made by LubroMolly but other products are dirt cheap.

- Vikas

how much was that?
 
Fuel System Cleaner was like $16 vs Valve cleaner and Injector Cleaner were $4 and $5 respectively.

The local store *never* has them in stock. Every time I have to order it and pick it up on my next visit to them.

- Vikas
 
I *think* Camry seems to have little bit more oomph. I usually do not drive it as it is my son's car but I just took it around the block and the throttle response seems to be better than what I had remembered.

- Vikas
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
I *think* Camry seems to have little bit more oomph. I usually do not drive it as it is my son's car but I just took it around the block and the throttle response seems to be better than what I had remembered.

- Vikas


I noticed better throttle response in my Marauder after adding the Lubro-Moly to my oil, I plan on adding about 5 ounces of Lubro-Moly at each OCI unless I go to the Toyota 0W-20 that seems to have alot of Moly in it.

My El Camino has PP in it, and I recently added a bottle of Lubro-Moly and the engine seemed to like it, same thing with my snowblower, I added about 2 ounces and it ran great when I used it for over 25 hours during the last couple of big snowstorms we had here.

I will be adding about an ounce of the Lubro-Moly to my lawn mower when I take it out of the shed and change the oil.

I also added some Lubro-Moly to my Mom's 1998 Chevrolet Monte Carlo on the last OCI, and the engine does seem more responsive.
 
I think you are all just imagining improved performance with the LM oil additive. A few ounces of anything cannot produce anything that you can feel in the driving experience. And I am certain the manufacturer does not make such a claim.
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
I think you are all just imagining improved performance with the LM oil additive. A few ounces of anything cannot produce anything that you can feel in the driving experience. And I am certain the manufacturer does not make such a claim.


Does moly itself produce a benefit you can feel? How much is needed to do that?
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
I think you are all just imagining improved performance with the LM oil additive. A few ounces of anything cannot produce anything that you can feel in the driving experience. And I am certain the manufacturer does not make such a claim.


That is certainly a possibility. I have never really believed that anything added to the oil can improve the throttle response. Physically, that is pretty much not possible. On the other hand, I am believer in fuel tank additives (or rather addiCtives :-). Cleaner injector can have immediate impact on throttle response.

- Vikas
 
Of course a slippery lube will make a difference that can be felt.
I don't think bearings will benefit, because the journal and bearing should never touch, but rings and cam/valvetrain components could have less friction.

How could less friction NOT be felt ?
 
No, I think oil is slippery enough. Is there an SAE test method which measures and publishes "slipperyness" of various engine oils? That would bring objectiveness to this discussion.

It would be cool to rig up some simple demo which a free running flywheel and motor with electronic speed control. Use your favorite lube in the shaft of the flywheel, get it to constant speed using the motor, cut out the motor, measure the time and the revolutions till the flywheel stops i.e. something like a casino wheel.

- Vikas
 
I hate to admit it, but I have used Slick 50 in vehicles many years ago.
With carburetor eqt engines, the idle would raise. One would not hold on a hill in gear any more and the engine would turn over.
Something was different.
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
One would not hold on a hill in gear any more and the engine would turn over.
Something was different.


As you saying that if you left the engine (not running) in gear on a hill that the vehicle would creep backwards? Before you used this additive it would have not have done the same thing?
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Some report here where it is claimed that Moly stays around for a long time concerns me little bit though.

If there's any residual moly sticking to internal metal parts, reducing friction and wear even during the next oil drain interval, that's a good thing and not a cause for concern.


Not if they clog up the oil run ways .
 
Originally Posted By: lipadj46
A proper colloidal solution like LM MoS2 will not clog anything up not even the filter.


I have been running the Lubro-Moly in my car now for 6000 miles and all is fine.
 
If you add alot of a thinning oil additive like MMO, the lower viscosity of the engine oil can create a feeling of more power. about 2-5% of the engines torque is used to work the oil pump etc.

IMHO the main benefit of lubro-moly would be to improve cold starting.

http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/mediendb.nsf/gfx2/2009%20MoS2-Anti-Friction_EN.pdf/$file/2009%20MoS2-Anti-Friction_EN.pdf

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MoS2–Anti-Friction is a colloidal, molybdenum sulphide (MoS2) based solid lubricant suspension in mineral oil stabilised by a special preparation process and formulated for use in vehicle engines (petrol and Diesel). Miscible and fully compatible with all commercially-available engine oils (mineral oils, partially and fully synthetic oils).

- miscible with all commercially available engine oils
- stable even under high thermal and dynamic loading
- no deposits and absolutely compatible with all commonly used filter systems
- reduces running-in and running wear
- guarantees limp-home properties
- reduces oil and fuel consumption
- increases smoothness, reliability and economy
- proven performance with catalytic converters and turbochargers
Basis Colour MoS2 specifications MoS2 particle size Solids content Density at 20 °C Viscosity at 20 °C Flash point Pour point
: MoS2 suspension : grey-black : complies with MIL-M-7866 B, DEF 2304, CS 2819 : majority < 0.3 μm : approx. 3 : 0.89 – 0.90 : approx. 300 : 200 : -20
Added to the lubricating oils of engines, compressors, pumps and especially motor vehicle engines (petrol and Diesel). Miscible with all commercially available engine oils.
Add 5 % (50 ml per litre of oil) MoS2–Anti-Friction to engine oil; in motorbikes with wet clutch add 2 % (20 ml per litre of oil). Can be added to engine oil at any time. Dosage in motorbikes max. 2%!
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
I hate to admit it, but I have used Slick 50 in vehicles many years ago.
With carburetor eqt engines, the idle would raise. One would not hold on a hill in gear any more and the engine would turn over.
Something was different.


Only thing remotely making sense is that it caused main seal to leak and clutch to get contaminated.

The reason your car holds on a hill in gear is because of the engine compression, NOT friction. If Slick50 caused your engine to lose compression, then it is obviously a bad thing.

On the other hand, idle speed going up is good thing and does imply Slick50 reduced friction in the engine.

- Vikas
 
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