Louvers VS Holes

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Use the flashlight on your cell phone. Yes, I do inspect oil filters before buying them. If you think it's too much trouble to take 30 seconds to take a look, then just buy it and slap it on.

Can you see tears in the media this way?

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Use the flashlight on your cell phone. Yes, I do inspect oil filters before buying them. If you think it's too much trouble to take 30 seconds to take a look, then just buy it and slap it on.

I too inspect the oil filter before I purchase it. But only for dents, a missing gasket, or to make sure it hasn't been switched.
If you're able to see closed louvers you need to change your username to STEVE AUSTIN.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Use the flashlight on your cell phone. Yes, I do inspect oil filters before buying them. If you think it's too much trouble to take 30 seconds to take a look, then just buy it and slap it on.

Can you see tears in the media this way?

Only if it were an E-CORE, right?

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by BlueOvalFitter
Only if it were an E-CORE, right?

I've never seen a correlation between E-core filter design and tearing, have you? I've only seen such a correlation with certain brands or manufacturers.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by BlueOvalFitter
Only if it were an E-CORE, right?

I've never seen a correlation between E-core filter design and tearing, have you? I've only seen such a correlation with certain brands or manufacturers.

IMHO, the jury is still out on this one. I think it's a WHOLE bunch of "5 MINUTES OF FAME" advertising/posting.
Just sayin'...........

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Use the flashlight on your cell phone. Yes, I do inspect oil filters before buying them. If you think it's too much trouble to take 30 seconds to take a look, then just buy it and slap it on.

I too inspect the oil filter before I purchase it. But only for dents, a missing gasket, or to make sure it hasn't been switched.
If you're able to see closed louvers you need to change your username to STEVE AUSTIN.

Do you see a difference between these two filters with louvers? Not rocket science ... takes 5 seconds to verify by looking down the center tube. Which one would you rather buy and use?

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Use the flashlight on your cell phone. Yes, I do inspect oil filters before buying them. If you think it's too much trouble to take 30 seconds to take a look, then just buy it and slap it on.

I too inspect the oil filter before I purchase it. But only for dents, a missing gasket, or to make sure it hasn't been switched.
If you're able to see closed louvers you need to change your username to STEVE AUSTIN.

Do you see a difference between these two filters with louvers? Not rocket science ... takes 5 seconds to verify by looking down the center tube. Which one would you rather buy and use?

Are you now calling me stupid?

 

[kschachn]

Like he said it isn't rocket science.

 

[Job]

Originally Posted by BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Use the flashlight on your cell phone. Yes, I do inspect oil filters before buying them. If you think it's too much trouble to take 30 seconds to take a look, then just buy it and slap it on.

I too inspect the oil filter before I purchase it. But only for dents, a missing gasket, or to make sure it hasn't been switched.
If you're able to see closed louvers you need to change your username to STEVE AUSTIN.

Do you see a difference between these two filters with louvers? Not rocket science ... takes 5 seconds to verify by looking down the center tube. Which one would you rather buy and use?

Are you now calling me stupid?


It's about #BeBest

The other thing about louvers is the edges are ragged metal points waiting to leave home. If you have 3/4 threads try Toyota filters, filter less than 10 microns, have nice holes and make the engine last.

 

[tundraotto]

I thought the Toyota filters were rock catchers, with about 50% efficiency at 20 microns.....

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Like he said it isn't rocket science.

Now, 2 of you are calling me stupid?

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

Just make sure you get the oil with the round hole or louver certs. Sarcasm off.

 

[Job]

Originally Posted by tundraotto
I thought the Toyota filters were rock catchers, with about 50% efficiency at 20 microns.....

To rocks less than 10 microns per Toyota. Depending on perspective a 7 micron particle could be called a "rock."

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted by kschachn
Like he said it isn't rocket science.

Now, 2 of you are calling me stupid?


Are you trying to troll about the simple fact that it's not hard to look down a center tube and look at the louvers?

If someone doesn't care about inspecting things for quality that they buy and use, then I really could care less, it's your vehicle.

 

[4WD]

Is for me - I'm not going to break the seal on a box - and as I showed above that filter would have looked blinded off based on the direction only - when there was nothing wrong with it at all. The roll punch process makes them 3D anyway.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Every filter catches particles down to 10μ or less. If they don't say at what efficiency it catches 5 or 10 microns, then it's a useless statement.

Any filter that's rated at 50% @ 20μ isn't goung to be very efficient at 5 or 10 microns (like only around 20% or 30% at those small particle sizes).

 

[tundraotto]

Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Originally Posted by tundraotto
I thought the Toyota filters were rock catchers, with about 50% efficiency at 20 microns.....

To rocks less than 10 microns per Toyota. Depending on perspective a 7 micron particle could be called a "rock."


almost any oil filter will filter down to 10 microns at a lower efficiency...
but 50% efficiency at 20 microns is poor - so yeah - 'rock-catcher'

Even the lowest level FRAM Extra Guard is 95.7% efficient at 20 microns.

ISO 4548-12 is the standardized test.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by 4WD
Is for me - I'm not going to break the seal on a box - and as I showed above that filter would have looked blinded off based on the direction only - when there was nothing wrong with it at all. The roll punch process makes them 3D anyway.


Those two photos I posted clearly shows one filter has nearly closed louvers. It's not hard to move the filter around and use some light down the center tube to get the right view angle on the openings of the louvers.

 

[Job]

Originally Posted by tundraotto
Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Originally Posted by tundraotto
I thought the Toyota filters were rock catchers, with about 50% efficiency at 20 microns.....

To rocks less than 10 microns per Toyota. Depending on perspective a 7 micron particle could be called a "rock."


almost any oil filter will filter down to 10 microns at a lower efficiency...
but 50% efficiency at 20 microns is poor - so yeah - 'rock-catcher'

Even the lowest level FRAM Extra Guard is 95.7% efficient at 20 microns.

ISO 4548-12 is the standardized test.

If less than 10 microns is a rock, so call it a rock. If Toyota advertises less than 10, that's what my oil condition will be in real use I believe. I have never seen tests of a Toyota filter that meant anything concrete, or said 50%. For my Toyota pickup will stick with Toyota.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by Farnsworth
I have never seen tests of a Toyota filter that meant anything concrete, or said 50%.


Nothing official from Toyota has ever been published on their oil filter efficiency. But as I'm sure you've seen posted before a few times over the last 9 years, there is ISO 4548-12 data. Until there is another source of data from Toyota showing ISO 4548-12 data, I'll have to believe this info. Also, river_rat's bench testing showed Toyota fitlers weren't that great compared to many other filters he tested. That's basically when I stopped using Toyota OEM filters and went with PureOnes, before they had the media tearing issues.