List of Real Synthetic/Fake Synthetic Oils?

[tinmanSC]

Originally Posted By: Dax1987
Yes the average car can tell the difference! But not the average driver. Here is my personal experience:


My comment was not really directed at dino vs synthetic, but rather "fake synthetic" vs "real synthetic." (i.e. Can the car tell the difference between a PAO oil and an ester oil.) If it makes the difference between a 750,000 mile engine and a 800,000 mile engine, I don't really consider that a difference for the average vehicle.
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
I think a listing of "Classic Threads" would be a good option to list among the forums. I have read some of the years-old threads and found them very helpful in understanding oil terminology and formulation. The trouble is you have to dig through a lot of dirt to find the gold nuggets.

+1
We need a new sticky!

 

[dave1251]

The average engine can not tell the differance my gawd it is an engine.

 

[440Magnum]

Originally Posted By: tinmanSC
Or was it red line, not royal purple that using Group V?


Redline is known for GroupV base stocks. I believe RP's XPR line is mostly grp V, their standard line mostly grp IV.

 

[Ken2]

To muddy the water further, there are quality differences between various Group III base oils (fake synthetic). Some of the cheaper Group III "synthetic" base oil just meets the spec...>90% saturates, 120. Some exceed the spec by a lot and probably should be listed as an unofficial Group III+, just like Group II+ is the unofficial category for Gr-II base oil with the VI >100 (>80 is minimum). Finished engine oils made from the very best Group III base oil, plus a premium additive package, are very fine oils indeed.

And...and nothing says that the oil makers and blenders can't change their formulations any time there is a price shift or new V.P. of marketing is hired. They have to meet the claims in their advertising. Beyond that....

 

[Ken2]

Regarding the ZDDP content and the old motorcycle, I'd stick with one of the motorcycle specific oils. Mobil 1, Amsoil, Red Line, some of the imports, will all do an excellent job. What was said above about substitutes for part of the ZDDP in oil is true...ZDDP's main attribute over other antiwear agents is that ZDDP is the cheapest. A small amount of ZDDP plus moly or Liquid Titanium (and maybe other stuff) does better than more ZDDP alone, but costs more.

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
Dax1987 - You are new to this Forum - great. You said this :

"Best oils are Motul and Total"

Please enlighten us as to what you mean by "best" and how this was judged

And you said this:

"Check the site on my signature to read more about Motul and Total products!"

Why? - Are you trying to Promote or Market these products?

 

[teddyboy]

Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
bountyh - I must ask what is the value of your question?

There is very little difference in the "integrity" of Major Oil Companies products that carry API and ACEA "accreditation"

We have a raft of Eastern European and Asian lubricants in all classes that are either on the market or about to be. These will be (and are) excellent products

The Class 3 lubricants (that I presume you to mean are "fake")that have been formulated in recent years have shown themselves to be excellent performers in their intended applications. Many Approved lubricants fall into this Class!

Perhaps you could have done us all a favour by simply searching this subject!


But Doug, if he/she had done that we couldn't be having this debate/discussion for the 4627th time during my brief membership tenure.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: Johnny

3. There is no site listed on your signature.


Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary

And you said this:

"Check the site on my signature to read more about Motul and Total products!"

Why? - Are you trying to Promote or Market these products?


It has been removed for that reason.

Bill

 

[ottotheclown]

I always wonder how a person finds out what oil was used. In all my years repairing cars nobody ever really knew what kind of oil was really used. Believe me if you had that info then that meant you had alot of time on your hands and why??? But on the other hand in this type of area if you wanted to make a point even if you could not spell, you can list the oil as if you ever knew. Internet I wonder if any time soon we can ever take it serious, ever????

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Johnny

3. There is no site listed on your signature.


Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary

And you said this:

"Check the site on my signature to read more about Motul and Total products!"

Why? - Are you trying to Promote or Market these products?


It has been removed for that reason.

Bill


Bill, are you alluding to the possibility of an AGENDA? for shame sir!

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Johnny

3. There is no site listed on your signature.


Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary

And you said this:

"Check the site on my signature to read more about Motul and Total products!"

Why? - Are you trying to Promote or Market these products?


It has been removed for that reason.

Bill


Bill, are you alluding to the possibility of an AGENDA? for shame sir!

When all of your posts speak about a certain product and then (shock) there happens to be a link to a website that sells it near by..

I've got to call them as I see it. Contrary to popular opinion we are trying to do something positive here.

Take care, Bill

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah

When all of your posts speak about a certain product and then (shock) there happens to be a link to a website that sells it near by..

I've got to call them as I see it. Contrary to popular opinion we are trying to do something positive here.

Take care, Bill


Good call Bill, 4 posts and a plug. No cigar!

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint


Good call Bill, 4 posts and a plug. No cigar!


Still welcome to be part of the site. Just follow the rules, be factual and good to go!

Take care, Bill

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Johnny

3. There is no site listed on your signature.


Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary

And you said this:

"Check the site on my signature to read more about Motul and Total products!"

Why? - Are you trying to Promote or Market these products?


It has been removed for that reason.

Bill


Bill, are you alluding to the possibility of an AGENDA? for shame sir!

When all of your posts speak about a certain product and then (shock) there happens to be a link to a website that sells it near by..

I've got to call them as I see it. Contrary to popular opinion we are trying to do something positive here.

Take care, Bill


Well handled.

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
Bill - Thank you for keeping BITOG a Forum of repute and respect

I think it is in the hands of all of us to keep the standards high and to maintain BITOG's Premium position in the field of lubricants and lubrication

I'm sure that we all agree that "nona fide" Sponsors are very welcome and have added much to BITOG

Thanks

 

[Da Game]

Great.... Now where does Torco Oil fit in? To my my understanding they are a Grp IV & V Syn oil. Their pretty pricey also @ $19.00 per Qt.

 

[aquariuscsm]

I emailed Valvoline about Synpower and they told me it`s a mix of grps III,IV,and V. RP told me their street oils are grp IV w/a grp V additive. That`s all I know whereas hearing it straight up from the companies themselves.

 

[fdcg27]

I think that new memebers should spend time reading what is already out there.
They would then refrain from starting topics like this one.
I think the OP was trying to obtain a list of oils that are made primarily from Grp IV or V basestocks.
Had the OP spent some time reading old posts, he would have realized that nobody outside of the blenders themselves really knows.
He would have also come to the realization that it doesn't matter for most users under their driving conditions for most engines.
I lurked here for some years before posting, and one of the things that I learned was that you'll usually not know how much of which basestock is used in any given oil.
Yeah, we know that PP and Ultra are Grp III, because SOPUS had both the integrity and the confidence to tell us, but what about M1, and it does vary by the grade?
I don't mean to single out XOM either.
How 'bout BP (Castrol) or Ashland (Valvoline)?
You come to realize that the basestock is not as important as the performance of the fully formulated oil in actual use.
There are many more good UOAs on here than bad ones, using all sorts of different oils.
If a UOA tells us more about how an oil holds up in service than it does about engine wear, there are plenty of good oils available, without regard to basestock.
In short, I guess I find the OP's question irrelevant.

 

[salesrep]

I respectfully disagree. "We" have not been able to answer his post. Thusly his question is more than warranted.

 

[salesrep]

.....and a pretty straight forward couple a questions at that.
Is there a comprehensive list of what oils are real syn?

Also: is there a reliable list showing how much ZDDP is in what oil?