Whats the dirt on these filters are they ecore and how do they compare to Motorcraft?
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K&N Pro Series filters
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Exactly, the dirt. they allow more dirt to pass-there is no perfromance advantage that is measurable.
OEM, Fram, Wix, Motorcraft, sct... catch more dirt & will flow more air than the engine can breath.
OEM, Fram, Wix, Motorcraft, sct... catch more dirt & will flow more air than the engine can breath.
Motorcraft use Purolator Premium media. If you want to filter more, then go with Pure One or Bosch Premium.
Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft. This may mean that the Motorcraft has less media overall as more of the can is taken up with the bypass mechanism. I have both the Motorcraft and Bosch and they are identical apart from that feature and the media.
Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft. This may mean that the Motorcraft has less media overall as more of the can is taken up with the bypass mechanism. I have both the Motorcraft and Bosch and they are identical apart from that feature and the media.
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The kn air filters are bad and allow more dirt. Their oil filters are nice filters. That being said at half the price the motorcraft would have my mind made for me.
These are the PS (black) filters that the OP is referring to, not the HP(white with the nut) series.
Not a lot of info here about them, IRRC they appeared to be a Champ Classic design. Don't remember if anyone got efficiency info or not. There are some posts and pics of a dissected filter here.
Not a lot of info here about them, IRRC they appeared to be a Champ Classic design. Don't remember if anyone got efficiency info or not. There are some posts and pics of a dissected filter here.
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft.
I like to reference the location as "base end" or "dome end". "Top" or "bottom" of filter can be confusing.
Originally Posted By: rjacket
This may mean that the Motorcraft has less media overall as more of the can is taken up with the bypass mechanism.
True ... it's pretty apparent on the WIX or NAPA Gold filters with the base end bypass end. It does eat up some length that could be used for more media area.
Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft.
I like to reference the location as "base end" or "dome end". "Top" or "bottom" of filter can be confusing.
Originally Posted By: rjacket
This may mean that the Motorcraft has less media overall as more of the can is taken up with the bypass mechanism.
True ... it's pretty apparent on the WIX or NAPA Gold filters with the base end bypass end. It does eat up some length that could be used for more media area.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft.
I like to reference the location as "base end" or "dome end". "Top" or "bottom" of filter can be confusing.
I like Top or Bottom because it tells me what end I am talking about in relation to the flow of oil.
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft.
I like to reference the location as "base end" or "dome end". "Top" or "bottom" of filter can be confusing.
I like Top or Bottom because it tells me what end I am talking about in relation to the flow of oil.
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft.
I like to reference the location as "base end" or "dome end". "Top" or "bottom" of filter can be confusing.
I like Top or Bottom because it tells me what end I am talking about in relation to the flow of oil.
So you call the base the "top"?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft.
I like to reference the location as "base end" or "dome end". "Top" or "bottom" of filter can be confusing.
I like Top or Bottom because it tells me what end I am talking about in relation to the flow of oil.
So you call the base the "top"?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft.
I like to reference the location as "base end" or "dome end". "Top" or "bottom" of filter can be confusing.
I like Top or Bottom because it tells me what end I am talking about in relation to the flow of oil.
So you call the base the "top"?
No that's what you are doing.
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft.
I like to reference the location as "base end" or "dome end". "Top" or "bottom" of filter can be confusing.
I like Top or Bottom because it tells me what end I am talking about in relation to the flow of oil.
So you call the base the "top"?
No that's what you are doing.
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
So you call the base the "top"?
No that's what you are doing.
What?
This is what you said:
"Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft."
For this statement to be true, the "top" of the filter must be the base end. See how confusing that is?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
So you call the base the "top"?
No that's what you are doing.
What?
This is what you said:
"Ford specify the bypass at the top of the filter not the bottom and this is only found on Motorcraft."
For this statement to be true, the "top" of the filter must be the base end. See how confusing that is?
Originally Posted By: rjacket
I think you are choosing to be confused by it for a reason only known to yourself.
Do all filters have domes on them?
LOL ... no confusion on my end. Yes! ... all spin-on filters have a base end that's threaded and a dome end (that's shaped like a "dome"
).
Any end could be the "top" or "bottom" depending on one's perspective. Just like any side of a car could be the left or right side depending on the person's perspective ... but technically, the driver's side is always the left side, unless you have a car with the steering wheel on the right side.
I think you are choosing to be confused by it for a reason only known to yourself.
Do all filters have domes on them?
LOL ... no confusion on my end. Yes! ... all spin-on filters have a base end that's threaded and a dome end (that's shaped like a "dome"
Any end could be the "top" or "bottom" depending on one's perspective. Just like any side of a car could be the left or right side depending on the person's perspective ... but technically, the driver's side is always the left side, unless you have a car with the steering wheel on the right side.
Here is something else for you genius.
Here is a filter manufacturer refering to the top and bottom:
http://www.uniflux-filters.co.uk/filtros-de-aceite/-18/
Here is a forum discussion about the location of the bypass also talking about top and bottom:
http://www.shoclub.com/news.php?extend.3
And lastly, here is WIX refering to upper and lower end caps
http://www.wixfilters.com/productinformation/gff_oilfilters.html
The last time I checked the English language, upper and lower were synonmous with top and bottom.
Lots of people here also talk about upper and lower endcaps when refering to the internals of a filter so I am sure they are not having as much trouble as you understanding this.
Why don't you go and troll those discussions and ask them to explain what they mean by upper and lower endcaps?
Here is a filter manufacturer refering to the top and bottom:
http://www.uniflux-filters.co.uk/filtros-de-aceite/-18/
Here is a forum discussion about the location of the bypass also talking about top and bottom:
http://www.shoclub.com/news.php?extend.3
And lastly, here is WIX refering to upper and lower end caps
http://www.wixfilters.com/productinformation/gff_oilfilters.html
The last time I checked the English language, upper and lower were synonmous with top and bottom.
Lots of people here also talk about upper and lower endcaps when refering to the internals of a filter so I am sure they are not having as much trouble as you understanding this.
Why don't you go and troll those discussions and ask them to explain what they mean by upper and lower endcaps?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Any end could be the "top" or "bottom" depending on one's perspective. Just like any side of a car could be the left or right side depending on the person's perspective ... but technically, the driver's side is always the left side, unless you have a car with the steering wheel on the right side.
I think I know which two ends of yours are the wrong way round.
Any end could be the "top" or "bottom" depending on one's perspective. Just like any side of a car could be the left or right side depending on the person's perspective ... but technically, the driver's side is always the left side, unless you have a car with the steering wheel on the right side.
I think I know which two ends of yours are the wrong way round.
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Any end could be the "top" or "bottom" depending on one's perspective. Just like any side of a car could be the left or right side depending on the person's perspective ... but technically, the driver's side is always the left side, unless you have a car with the steering wheel on the right side.
I think I know which two ends of yours are the wrong way round.
... don't tell me, you have a car with the steering wheel in the center.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Any end could be the "top" or "bottom" depending on one's perspective. Just like any side of a car could be the left or right side depending on the person's perspective ... but technically, the driver's side is always the left side, unless you have a car with the steering wheel on the right side.
I think I know which two ends of yours are the wrong way round.
Originally Posted By: rjacket
Here is something else for you genius.
Here is a filter manufacturer refering to the top and bottom:
http://www.uniflux-filters.co.uk/filtros-de-aceite/-18/
Here is a forum discussion about the location of the bypass also talking about top and bottom:
http://www.shoclub.com/news.php?extend.3
And lastly, here is WIX refering to upper and lower end caps
http://www.wixfilters.com/productinformation/gff_oilfilters.html
The last time I checked the English language, upper and lower were synonmous with top and bottom.
Lots of people here also talk about upper and lower endcaps when refering to the internals of a filter so I am sure they are not having as much trouble as you understanding this.
Why don't you go and troll those discussions and ask them to explain what they mean by upper and lower endcaps?
No wonder you're so screwed up with the terminology ... you've been reading too many messed up websites.
Don't worry ... I understand it all just fine.
Here is something else for you genius.
Here is a filter manufacturer refering to the top and bottom:
http://www.uniflux-filters.co.uk/filtros-de-aceite/-18/
Here is a forum discussion about the location of the bypass also talking about top and bottom:
http://www.shoclub.com/news.php?extend.3
And lastly, here is WIX refering to upper and lower end caps
http://www.wixfilters.com/productinformation/gff_oilfilters.html
The last time I checked the English language, upper and lower were synonmous with top and bottom.
Lots of people here also talk about upper and lower endcaps when refering to the internals of a filter so I am sure they are not having as much trouble as you understanding this.
Why don't you go and troll those discussions and ask them to explain what they mean by upper and lower endcaps?
No wonder you're so screwed up with the terminology ... you've been reading too many messed up websites.
So if the filter was mounted upside down from the figures shwow, would it be a "Bottom By-pass" setup?
http://www.shoclub.com/news.php?extend.3
http://www.shoclub.com/news.php?extend.3
You don't get it!
We were talking about top and bottom bypass in the context of Motorcraft made by Purolator vs Purolator made by Purolator. Right? Understood this point so far?
As I've shown in two links, it is already understood by *most* people what is the difference between a top and bottom bypass. Right? Understood this point?
So in the context of the bypass, in the context of Motorcraft / Purolator, it is ok to use the terms top and bottom because a top bypass and bottom bypass are already understood terms.
Now if you want to call it a dome bypass or a base bypass, that's up to you. I certainly wouldn't spend my time trolling you on that, because I can figure out what you mean.
So perhaps you can stretch your tiny mind a little and understand that because people *already* refer to the bypass as a top or bottom one (you can find the same elsewhere on these forums), it was ok for me to talk about a bypass being at the top or bottom of the filter.
Comprende?
Of course, I do accept that there will always be people like you whose sole mission in life is to take people's discussions out of context for no reason.
For that reason, you may have the last word on this as I'm removing myself from this thread as I want to stop doing this to you:
We were talking about top and bottom bypass in the context of Motorcraft made by Purolator vs Purolator made by Purolator. Right? Understood this point so far?
As I've shown in two links, it is already understood by *most* people what is the difference between a top and bottom bypass. Right? Understood this point?
So in the context of the bypass, in the context of Motorcraft / Purolator, it is ok to use the terms top and bottom because a top bypass and bottom bypass are already understood terms.
Now if you want to call it a dome bypass or a base bypass, that's up to you. I certainly wouldn't spend my time trolling you on that, because I can figure out what you mean.
So perhaps you can stretch your tiny mind a little and understand that because people *already* refer to the bypass as a top or bottom one (you can find the same elsewhere on these forums), it was ok for me to talk about a bypass being at the top or bottom of the filter.
Comprende?
Of course, I do accept that there will always be people like you whose sole mission in life is to take people's discussions out of context for no reason.
For that reason, you may have the last word on this as I'm removing myself from this thread as I want to stop doing this to you:
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Either a filter has a base end bypass or a dome end bypass valve. I see in those (Ford) threads you linked that it typically shows the filter mounted with the base up, and therefore when the bypass valve is in the base it has become the "top end bypass". OK ... whatever floats the Ford guys' boat.
I guess if the filter was horizontal it could have been either a left hand bypass or right hand bypass valve depending if you were looking at the front or rear of the car.
Bottom line is that most people refer to location of the bypass valve in an oil filter as either base end (or threaded end) and dome end ... expect for the "eccentric".
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