...because, electric cars are getting cheaper. 200 mile range cars are coming out left and right. Its enough for most i think. Thought?
Just imagine we wont need to change oil...
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They still have a reduction gear box filled with oil. BITOG will be abuzz what type/brand of oil works best in those.
Lolz yes
Then we will be arguing over how thick the brushes are in our electric motors.
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Then we will be arguing over how thick the brushes are in our electric motors.
And how tightly wounded are the motors
Then we will be arguing over how thick the brushes are in our electric motors.
And how tightly wounded are the motors
Originally Posted by StevieC
Then we will be arguing over how thick the brushes are in our electric motors.
Do these EVs use motors with brushes?
Maybe my thinking is skewed because I designed parts for brushless DC motors for a while, but I thought that was way old school tech.
I have actually never read enough about these vehicles to know much about their motors, I had to study up on the batteries some time ago when the company I was with at the time was looking into charging and gauging for them.
Then we will be arguing over how thick the brushes are in our electric motors.
Do these EVs use motors with brushes?
Maybe my thinking is skewed because I designed parts for brushless DC motors for a while, but I thought that was way old school tech.
I have actually never read enough about these vehicles to know much about their motors, I had to study up on the batteries some time ago when the company I was with at the time was looking into charging and gauging for them.
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Today's automakers use three different types of electric motors in green cars: the [Brushless DC] BLDC motor, brushed DC motor, and AC induction motor. The BLDC motor has a permanent-magnet rotor surrounded by a wound stator. The winding in the stator get commutated electronically, instead of with brushes
http://buildipedia.com/aec-pros/design-news/the-brushless-dc-motor-and-its-use-in-electric-cars
Today's automakers use three different types of electric motors in green cars: the [Brushless DC] BLDC motor, brushed DC motor, and AC induction motor. The BLDC motor has a permanent-magnet rotor surrounded by a wound stator. The winding in the stator get commutated electronically, instead of with brushes
http://buildipedia.com/aec-pros/design-news/the-brushless-dc-motor-and-its-use-in-electric-cars
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Originally Posted by Serge
...because, electric cars are getting cheaper. 200 mile range cars are coming out left and right. Its enough for most i think. Thought?
Maybe, if the electric is used only in town, but that was always the case, dating back to 1904, and the age-old arguments against electrics still apply.
Minnesota's climate isn't that much different than Manitoba's. Climb into the car when it's 20 below F, turn on the heat, the defroster fan, the rear-window defrost heating wires, the heated seats, the heated steering wheel, the heated outside mirrors, the headlights, the radio and the wipers, and you'd be lucky if the battery has enough oomph left to rotate the square tires once.
Distances to anywhere else are vast in each of our locations, though anywhere else in Canada is sparser. The next fair-sized population centre west of Winnipeg is 50 miles away, then 120 miles away. Oops. can't get back from the second one without a decent charge, especially if you managed it in winter. A driver could watch his kid grow and graduate with a doctorate while filling up.
South-east of Winnipeg there's a small city about 30 miles away, but the next population centre east, in that particular lake-district, summer-vacation country, is about 150 miles away. Beyond that it's here-be-dragons territory for electrics. And that's in summer.
I cannot find, and never could, a decent electric-car cold-weather test on the internet. Those I do find are so-called winter tests in southern Ontario where they call out the army if it snows, or in Norway where cold means 20°F. I stopped looking months ago, but I doubt anything's changed. A real cold-weather video would cut their own throats.
Running an electric car in the northern U.S., excluding, perhaps, on the West Coast, and in Canada, in a stretch, southern Ontario and British Columbia, is the same as motorcycle season, with the added inconvenience of growing old after plugging the thing in to get home.
...because, electric cars are getting cheaper. 200 mile range cars are coming out left and right. Its enough for most i think. Thought?
Maybe, if the electric is used only in town, but that was always the case, dating back to 1904, and the age-old arguments against electrics still apply.
Minnesota's climate isn't that much different than Manitoba's. Climb into the car when it's 20 below F, turn on the heat, the defroster fan, the rear-window defrost heating wires, the heated seats, the heated steering wheel, the heated outside mirrors, the headlights, the radio and the wipers, and you'd be lucky if the battery has enough oomph left to rotate the square tires once.
Distances to anywhere else are vast in each of our locations, though anywhere else in Canada is sparser. The next fair-sized population centre west of Winnipeg is 50 miles away, then 120 miles away. Oops. can't get back from the second one without a decent charge, especially if you managed it in winter. A driver could watch his kid grow and graduate with a doctorate while filling up.
South-east of Winnipeg there's a small city about 30 miles away, but the next population centre east, in that particular lake-district, summer-vacation country, is about 150 miles away. Beyond that it's here-be-dragons territory for electrics. And that's in summer.
I cannot find, and never could, a decent electric-car cold-weather test on the internet. Those I do find are so-called winter tests in southern Ontario where they call out the army if it snows, or in Norway where cold means 20°F. I stopped looking months ago, but I doubt anything's changed. A real cold-weather video would cut their own throats.
Running an electric car in the northern U.S., excluding, perhaps, on the West Coast, and in Canada, in a stretch, southern Ontario and British Columbia, is the same as motorcycle season, with the added inconvenience of growing old after plugging the thing in to get home.
The oil will deteriorate from heat and wear of the reduction gears. It can reach the point to where it will deteriorate the insulation of the winding. It must be changed before that point is reached. It may not be once a year, but it will be changed.
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When they get around 600+ mile range I might consider. Nah...
200 mile range is all well and good, but I live in Phoenix, and during the summer time, the A/C needs to run full tilt. That turns a 200 mile range down to closer to 100-120... even when you don't consider things like headlight use, stereo use, etc..
With a 55 mile (each way) commute, I'd need a much better range than that.
With a 55 mile (each way) commute, I'd need a much better range than that.
Not in the motor anymore but in the transmission/gearbox. Perhaps the motors will be brushless like our cordless power tools.
200miles may not be enough for commuters here. I know people that commute 300miles a day to San diego, Stateline and 400 per day to Vegas and back. Funny thing is with traffic You can get to vegas faster than you can sanDiego.
Please suggest a reduction gearbox oil for my 2027 Neutermobile.
350 mile range, 5 minute charge (ie hot swap battery pack stations), infrastructure for charging (or battery swap) similar to current gas stations, and price equal to gas vehicles is when electric will become more than a niche vehicle.
Till then, I will be changing oil, plus I don't myself not having at least one vehicle with an internal combustion engine.
My wife is a perfect driver for current electric (50 miles is the max she drives at one time, parks in a garage with 220v access, parked all night, usually by herself or 1-2 kids when driving), but we can't afford it and she does not like the styling of any current models (although she could see herself driving a Soul, but they are not being sold here yet).
Till then, I will be changing oil, plus I don't myself not having at least one vehicle with an internal combustion engine.
My wife is a perfect driver for current electric (50 miles is the max she drives at one time, parks in a garage with 220v access, parked all night, usually by herself or 1-2 kids when driving), but we can't afford it and she does not like the styling of any current models (although she could see herself driving a Soul, but they are not being sold here yet).
Continuous operation vehicles like Uber or Lyft will still be on combustion engines, and those will likely grow faster than EV ownership due to people moving to urban area.
Originally Posted by SirTanon
200 mile range is all well and good, but I live in Phoenix, and during the summer time, the A/C needs to run full tilt. That turns a 200 mile range down to closer to 100-120... even when you don't consider things like headlight use, stereo use, etc..With a 55 mile (each way) commute, I'd need a much better range than that.
Not true.
... A/C is not that much of a power drain the way its done on my Focus BEV. (Heater is pretty bad though.) I was surprised about this, yet have seen it many times barely affect range on a hot day.
200 mile range is all well and good, but I live in Phoenix, and during the summer time, the A/C needs to run full tilt. That turns a 200 mile range down to closer to 100-120... even when you don't consider things like headlight use, stereo use, etc..With a 55 mile (each way) commute, I'd need a much better range than that.
Not true.
... A/C is not that much of a power drain the way its done on my Focus BEV. (Heater is pretty bad though.) I was surprised about this, yet have seen it many times barely affect range on a hot day.
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