Just a thought on mass shootings
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Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
One of the problems is that society has become used to ignoring people with mental issues.
But surely other countries have people with mental issues too ? Or is it that there are just more crazy Americans ? What do other countries do to minimise crazies going on a shooting spree?
One of the problems is that society has become used to ignoring people with mental issues.
But surely other countries have people with mental issues too ? Or is it that there are just more crazy Americans ? What do other countries do to minimise crazies going on a shooting spree?
I watched a news program that detailed mass shootings (murder) in other countries all over the world. America is slightly below average in the number of mass killings with guns or otherwise. I guess being average or just below isn't so great either, but we're certainly not the worst.
You should look at that earlier link someone was stupid enough to put up - for a civilised western country it doesn't look good. Much better than Africa, South America or Eastern Europe, but you could do better...a lot better.
Originally Posted By: Silk
You should look at that earlier link someone was stupid enough to put up - for a civilised western country it doesn't look good. Much better than Africa, South America or Eastern Europe, but you could do better...a lot better.
Tell you what, if you don't like the stats then don't live in the US.
Personally, I'd rather be here then any other country.
You should look at that earlier link someone was stupid enough to put up - for a civilised western country it doesn't look good. Much better than Africa, South America or Eastern Europe, but you could do better...a lot better.
Tell you what, if you don't like the stats then don't live in the US.
Personally, I'd rather be here then any other country.
To those that want to get rid of guns, how do we do it? How do we get rid of all of the guns? Not some, or most, but all. If you make guns illegal, criminals will still keep them. Look no further than the failed war on drugs for proof. Are we in a better situation if law abiding citizens turn their guns in, and only criminal have them? One of my biggest pet peeves is people that point to the problem, yet offer no solution.
Another problem is the economy. How many jobs are in the gun industry in the USA? What do we do for these people?
Another problem is the economy. How many jobs are in the gun industry in the USA? What do we do for these people?
Originally Posted By: Swarmlord
Tell you what, if you don't like the stats then don't live in the US.
Done.
Tell you what, if you don't like the stats then don't live in the US.
Done.
Originally Posted By: Silk
Originally Posted By: Swarmlord
Tell you what, if you don't like the stats then don't live in the US.
Done.
Originally Posted By: Swarmlord
Tell you what, if you don't like the stats then don't live in the US.
Done.
Originally Posted By: Swarmlord
Originally Posted By: Silk
You should look at that earlier link someone was stupid enough to put up - for a civilised western country it doesn't look good. Much better than Africa, South America or Eastern Europe, but you could do better...a lot better.
Tell you what, if you don't like the stats then don't live in the US.
Personally, I'd rather be here then any other country.
I'm not that stoopid!
Originally Posted By: Silk
You should look at that earlier link someone was stupid enough to put up - for a civilised western country it doesn't look good. Much better than Africa, South America or Eastern Europe, but you could do better...a lot better.
Tell you what, if you don't like the stats then don't live in the US.
Personally, I'd rather be here then any other country.
I'm not that stoopid!
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Swarmlord
Originally Posted By: Silk
You should look at that earlier link someone was stupid enough to put up - for a civilised western country it doesn't look good. Much better than Africa, South America or Eastern Europe, but you could do better...a lot better.
Tell you what, if you don't like the stats then don't live in the US.
Personally, I'd rather be here then any other country.
I'm not that stoopid!
Orly?!
Originally Posted By: Swarmlord
Originally Posted By: Silk
You should look at that earlier link someone was stupid enough to put up - for a civilised western country it doesn't look good. Much better than Africa, South America or Eastern Europe, but you could do better...a lot better.
Tell you what, if you don't like the stats then don't live in the US.
Personally, I'd rather be here then any other country.
I'm not that stoopid!
Orly?!
I was listening to a "let it rip" discussion forum in the background, while i'm on the computer, a few minutes ago.a high profile Detroit area/michigan lawyer was in the group. he stated a few gems, including, "this country has a collective insanity","it's a privilege to drive a car, but not to own a gun", and there are more guns in private hands in the u.s.than there are in all the armies in the world. food for thought.
as well, there was a guy from Oakland county staging some protest by openly wandering around with an ar15, each Friday for 16 consecutive weeks.a few times, police were called, and the cops asked him what he was doing, told him to be safe, and left. the last time, a cop came and approached him, weapon drawn, and detained him.
how is it possible that on 15 occasions, cops did not approach this guy with weapons drawn? apparently, it's o.k. to be wandering around in public with an ar15.the citizens of many first world counties would deem that as being odd.
if that were to happen here, a swat team would have been there within 5 minutes of a call, and the guy would have been in a hospital head ward undergoing a psych evaluation within an hour.
point is, every country handles their gun rules differently. if the majority of americans are happy with the rules, then good for you.personally,i don't care about gun related issues in the u.s. just wanted to pass along some interesting comments that I heard on the issue.
have a good day.
as well, there was a guy from Oakland county staging some protest by openly wandering around with an ar15, each Friday for 16 consecutive weeks.a few times, police were called, and the cops asked him what he was doing, told him to be safe, and left. the last time, a cop came and approached him, weapon drawn, and detained him.
how is it possible that on 15 occasions, cops did not approach this guy with weapons drawn? apparently, it's o.k. to be wandering around in public with an ar15.the citizens of many first world counties would deem that as being odd.
if that were to happen here, a swat team would have been there within 5 minutes of a call, and the guy would have been in a hospital head ward undergoing a psych evaluation within an hour.
point is, every country handles their gun rules differently. if the majority of americans are happy with the rules, then good for you.personally,i don't care about gun related issues in the u.s. just wanted to pass along some interesting comments that I heard on the issue.
have a good day.
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Originally Posted By: Silk
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
One of the problems is that society has become used to ignoring people with mental issues.
But surely other countries have people with mental issues too ? Or is it that there are just more crazy Americans ? What do other countries do to minimise crazies going on a shooting spree?
We put them in institutions to treat them. We have a LOT of these (I work in healthcare... on the IT side of course, but I get a lot of exposure to everything else) in Canada. I believe it works.
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
One of the problems is that society has become used to ignoring people with mental issues.
But surely other countries have people with mental issues too ? Or is it that there are just more crazy Americans ? What do other countries do to minimise crazies going on a shooting spree?
We put them in institutions to treat them. We have a LOT of these (I work in healthcare... on the IT side of course, but I get a lot of exposure to everything else) in Canada. I believe it works.
Originally Posted By: raaizin
Call me crazy, but I truely believe if the press would NOT name these cowards and show their pictures on TV/Newspapers there would be less of these incidents. I know this will never happen but just a thought. Does anyone agree with me?
Why does every thread involving a tragedy where firearms were used devolve into a debate about gun rights and weapons capability?
In this case, the actor used firearms, but he could have achieved a similar or even greater level of death and destruction had he been lobbing Molotov cocktails.
To give my opinion on the OT, I don't think that naming names is what encourages similar events.
Rather, I think that there is a clustering effect.
If one mentally disturbed person shoots up a space full of people, other mentally disturbed people may be inclined to follow that lead.
This actor clearly felt that he had grievances to redress.
The real question is how we can identify people like this shooter and then take any necessary action to contain and treat them before they explode in an [censored] of horrific violence.
Similar events happen every day, but most are confined to a small number of people lving on the socio-economic fringes and receive no more than local media converage.
We have thirty eight lifers in my prison alone.
What they all have in common is that someone died at their hands.
Not all of them used guns, either.
Call me crazy, but I truely believe if the press would NOT name these cowards and show their pictures on TV/Newspapers there would be less of these incidents. I know this will never happen but just a thought. Does anyone agree with me?
Why does every thread involving a tragedy where firearms were used devolve into a debate about gun rights and weapons capability?
In this case, the actor used firearms, but he could have achieved a similar or even greater level of death and destruction had he been lobbing Molotov cocktails.
To give my opinion on the OT, I don't think that naming names is what encourages similar events.
Rather, I think that there is a clustering effect.
If one mentally disturbed person shoots up a space full of people, other mentally disturbed people may be inclined to follow that lead.
This actor clearly felt that he had grievances to redress.
The real question is how we can identify people like this shooter and then take any necessary action to contain and treat them before they explode in an [censored] of horrific violence.
Similar events happen every day, but most are confined to a small number of people lving on the socio-economic fringes and receive no more than local media converage.
We have thirty eight lifers in my prison alone.
What they all have in common is that someone died at their hands.
Not all of them used guns, either.
In this case, the actor used firearms, but he could have achieved a similar or even greater level of death and destruction had he been lobbing Molotov cocktails. [/quote]
I have often thought about this. I'm no expert, but it seems a firearm is a weapon of choice because the perp does not intend to 'get away' with the act, it' s more an Act of revenge or Acting out ending with a suicide by cop.
Why are firearms used?
I see video games where there is a First person shooter (I have played them myself) but I have never seen a game where you plant a bomb and run away!
I guess it's more of a personal revenge act to use a firearm. Or empowerment?
Why not knives?
Probably inefficient and messy.
People don't want to get messy, even when they are going to die.
Again, I see no First person stabbing videos.
I have often thought about this. I'm no expert, but it seems a firearm is a weapon of choice because the perp does not intend to 'get away' with the act, it' s more an Act of revenge or Acting out ending with a suicide by cop.
Why are firearms used?
I see video games where there is a First person shooter (I have played them myself) but I have never seen a game where you plant a bomb and run away!
I guess it's more of a personal revenge act to use a firearm. Or empowerment?
Why not knives?
Probably inefficient and messy.
People don't want to get messy, even when they are going to die.
Again, I see no First person stabbing videos.
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Originally Posted By: expat
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In this case, the actor used firearms, but he could have achieved a similar or even greater level of death and destruction had he been lobbing Molotov cocktails.
I have often thought about this. I'm no expert, but it seems a firearm is a weapon of choice because the perp does not intend to 'get away' with the act, it' s more an Act of revenge or Acting out ending with a suicide by cop.
Why are firearms used?
I see video games where there is a First person shooter (I have played them myself) but I have never seen a game where you plant a bomb and run away!
I guess it's more of a personal revenge act to use a firearm. Or empowerment?
Why not knives?
Probably inefficient and messy.
People don't want to get messy, even when they are going to die.
Again, I see no First person stabbing videos.
There are plenty of games where you can lob grenades
Call of Duty, Ghost Recon, Gears of War....etc.
There are even a few games where you can plant bombs and be terrorist (Counter Strike for example, which is/was EXTREMELY popular).
Quote:
In this case, the actor used firearms, but he could have achieved a similar or even greater level of death and destruction had he been lobbing Molotov cocktails.
I have often thought about this. I'm no expert, but it seems a firearm is a weapon of choice because the perp does not intend to 'get away' with the act, it' s more an Act of revenge or Acting out ending with a suicide by cop.
Why are firearms used?
I see video games where there is a First person shooter (I have played them myself) but I have never seen a game where you plant a bomb and run away!
I guess it's more of a personal revenge act to use a firearm. Or empowerment?
Why not knives?
Probably inefficient and messy.
People don't want to get messy, even when they are going to die.
Again, I see no First person stabbing videos.
There are plenty of games where you can lob grenades
There are even a few games where you can plant bombs and be terrorist (Counter Strike for example, which is/was EXTREMELY popular).
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Black Ops II has a part where you kill people with a machete.
Black Ops has some where you knife a few in the neck or garrote a guy.
And the ever popular Team Fortress II. Swords, knives, rocket launchers, guns, energy weapons....
Yup, Call of Duty has those as well.
Black Ops II has a part where you kill people with a machete.
Black Ops has some where you knife a few in the neck or garrote a guy.
And the ever popular Team Fortress II. Swords, knives, rocket launchers, guns, energy weapons....
Yup, Call of Duty has those as well.
Originally Posted By: expat
Why are firearms used?
I see video games where there is a First person shooter (I have played them myself) but I have never seen a game where you plant a bomb and run away!
Silent Bomber. Not a first-person (it's 3rd person) but revolves completely around bombs of different types. It's also a slightly older game.
Why are firearms used?
I see video games where there is a First person shooter (I have played them myself) but I have never seen a game where you plant a bomb and run away!
Silent Bomber. Not a first-person (it's 3rd person) but revolves completely around bombs of different types. It's also a slightly older game.
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