The sport boat is 2,000 pounds. Jet skis are way more. But like I said the sport boat would be pulled about a mile or less.
Jeep Models - The Good and the Bad?
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It depends what model, the little cheap ones are penalty boxes for people who either don't want a Wrangler, or can't afford the Grand Cherokee which is decent. The GC is pretty much an ML Mercedes, but that's not such a bad thing.
I still think the Wranglers are very cool just not comfortable and rough, to truck like for me, but they are popular.
I still think the Wranglers are very cool just not comfortable and rough, to truck like for me, but they are popular.
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Originally Posted By: jigen
Or you could go Renegade.
Ugh, if your a 17 year old girl and don't know any better sure.
That one is 2wd as well so all sorts of fail happening in that picture.
Or you could go Renegade.
Ugh, if your a 17 year old girl and don't know any better sure.
That one is 2wd as well so all sorts of fail happening in that picture.
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Originally Posted By: jdirtrider
The sport boat is 2,000 pounds. Jet skis are way more. But like I said the sport boat would be pulled about a mile or less.
Wranglers can only tow 2,000 pounds.
The sport boat is 2,000 pounds. Jet skis are way more. But like I said the sport boat would be pulled about a mile or less.
Wranglers can only tow 2,000 pounds.
really?
even my hatchback is rated for 2,860 pounds (for any engine size), and that's actually conservative compared to others.
even my hatchback is rated for 2,860 pounds (for any engine size), and that's actually conservative compared to others.
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
really?
even my hatchback is rated for 2,860 pounds (for any engine size), and that's actually conservative compared to others.
There's been talk for a long time about the great towing conspiracy in the US. Most cars had generous towing capacity, but around the time of the growing SUV popularity, that capacity suddenly dropped. Coincidence or other?
really?
even my hatchback is rated for 2,860 pounds (for any engine size), and that's actually conservative compared to others.
There's been talk for a long time about the great towing conspiracy in the US. Most cars had generous towing capacity, but around the time of the growing SUV popularity, that capacity suddenly dropped. Coincidence or other?
I have a 2000 Grand Cherokee which shares the same drivetrain as the later TJ Wranglers. Its rated for 5000 pounds. I would never tow that even behind it. The transmission and brakes are the weak link.
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Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: jdirtrider
Anyone have some good insight on jeeps? What models to stay away from? What ones to jump on?
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2015-vehicle-dependability-study
This is after 3 years of ownership. Based on the date of the 2015 study, the 2016 study should be out shortly.
I'd go back to the full size truck....
JD Power is close to Consumer Reports in how they rate Jeep.
True. CR's newest ratings:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cars/which-car-brands-make-the-best-vehicles/
Ouch for FCA...
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: jdirtrider
Anyone have some good insight on jeeps? What models to stay away from? What ones to jump on?
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2015-vehicle-dependability-study
This is after 3 years of ownership. Based on the date of the 2015 study, the 2016 study should be out shortly.
I'd go back to the full size truck....
JD Power is close to Consumer Reports in how they rate Jeep.
True. CR's newest ratings:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cars/which-car-brands-make-the-best-vehicles/
Ouch for FCA...
Originally Posted By: dieselfarmboy
Originally Posted By: jdirtrider
The sport boat is 2,000 pounds. Jet skis are way more. But like I said the sport boat would be pulled about a mile or less.
Wranglers can only tow 2,000 pounds.
3500# for the Unlimited.
Originally Posted By: jdirtrider
The sport boat is 2,000 pounds. Jet skis are way more. But like I said the sport boat would be pulled about a mile or less.
Wranglers can only tow 2,000 pounds.
3500# for the Unlimited.
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: dieselfarmboy
Originally Posted By: jdirtrider
The sport boat is 2,000 pounds. Jet skis are way more. But like I said the sport boat would be pulled about a mile or less.
Wranglers can only tow 2,000 pounds.
3500# for the Unlimited.
must be a wheelbase thing then.
Originally Posted By: dieselfarmboy
Originally Posted By: jdirtrider
The sport boat is 2,000 pounds. Jet skis are way more. But like I said the sport boat would be pulled about a mile or less.
Wranglers can only tow 2,000 pounds.
3500# for the Unlimited.
must be a wheelbase thing then.
Get a hemi GC, at least you'll have more towing capacity and a stronger driveline.
Originally Posted By: dieselfarmboy
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: dieselfarmboy
Originally Posted By: jdirtrider
The sport boat is 2,000 pounds. Jet skis are way more. But like I said the sport boat would be pulled about a mile or less.
Wranglers can only tow 2,000 pounds.
3500# for the Unlimited.
must be a wheelbase thing then.
I believe it is....
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: dieselfarmboy
Originally Posted By: jdirtrider
The sport boat is 2,000 pounds. Jet skis are way more. But like I said the sport boat would be pulled about a mile or less.
Wranglers can only tow 2,000 pounds.
3500# for the Unlimited.
must be a wheelbase thing then.
I believe it is....
I like the newer Wranglers with the 3.6. We have a TJ here, man I hate that thing. A Ferrari would be more useful and reliable. Constant problems, seemingly engineered into it. Rides like [censored], loud inside, brick aero. Get a TRD Tacoma or quad cab F150/Ram/Silverado.
Originally Posted By: Gasbuggy
I like the newer Wranglers with the 3.6. We have a TJ here, man I hate that thing. A Ferrari would be more useful and reliable. Constant problems, seemingly engineered into it. Rides like [censored], loud inside, brick aero. Get a TRD Tacoma or quad cab F150/Ram/Silverado.
The 3.6 and NAG1 transmission are a nice combo in the new Wranglers.
I like the newer Wranglers with the 3.6. We have a TJ here, man I hate that thing. A Ferrari would be more useful and reliable. Constant problems, seemingly engineered into it. Rides like [censored], loud inside, brick aero. Get a TRD Tacoma or quad cab F150/Ram/Silverado.
The 3.6 and NAG1 transmission are a nice combo in the new Wranglers.
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
really?
even my hatchback is rated for 2,860 pounds (for any engine size), and that's actually conservative compared to others.
There's been talk for a long time about the great towing conspiracy in the US. Most cars had generous towing capacity, but around the time of the growing SUV popularity, that capacity suddenly dropped. Coincidence or other?
is there a difference between braked or unbraked towing capacity? Most cars here have an unbraked towing limit of 1,000-1,500 pounds. Only the overrun brake is in widespread use here on passenger cars or light trucks.
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
really?
even my hatchback is rated for 2,860 pounds (for any engine size), and that's actually conservative compared to others.
There's been talk for a long time about the great towing conspiracy in the US. Most cars had generous towing capacity, but around the time of the growing SUV popularity, that capacity suddenly dropped. Coincidence or other?
is there a difference between braked or unbraked towing capacity? Most cars here have an unbraked towing limit of 1,000-1,500 pounds. Only the overrun brake is in widespread use here on passenger cars or light trucks.
There is, but it's still generally overall very low.
For example, I used to own a 2004 VW Jetta station wagon, with a 1.9L 100hp/177ft-lb TDi, with 5spd manual. Off the top of my head, unbraked was 1,000lb and braked was 1,500lb. I don't recall what it was rated on your side of the pond--other than considerably higher.
My Camry says "towing not recommended" but does list 1,000lb as its limit.
Want to say it's become pretty standard for 1,000lb unbraked, and then 1,500lb braked for most things FWD, and even for many AWD's. There is a smattering of vehicles between that and 3,500lb. 3,500lb is a common limit for minivans. Above that and generally it's something much bigger (although Ridgelines are like 5k). It's kinda funny actually, as my truck has a 1,255lb payload rating--but the manual says 1,000lb unbraked for a limit! [I know it's because one could have 1,000lb in the truck and then > 1,000lb trailer, but it's still kinda comical.]
For example, I used to own a 2004 VW Jetta station wagon, with a 1.9L 100hp/177ft-lb TDi, with 5spd manual. Off the top of my head, unbraked was 1,000lb and braked was 1,500lb. I don't recall what it was rated on your side of the pond--other than considerably higher.
My Camry says "towing not recommended" but does list 1,000lb as its limit.
Want to say it's become pretty standard for 1,000lb unbraked, and then 1,500lb braked for most things FWD, and even for many AWD's. There is a smattering of vehicles between that and 3,500lb. 3,500lb is a common limit for minivans. Above that and generally it's something much bigger (although Ridgelines are like 5k). It's kinda funny actually, as my truck has a 1,255lb payload rating--but the manual says 1,000lb unbraked for a limit! [I know it's because one could have 1,000lb in the truck and then > 1,000lb trailer, but it's still kinda comical.]
would it be for liability issues if someone tows the limit and estroys his clutch? Permissible and advisable are definitely two different things when it comesto towing, esp if the driver hasn't a clue... but you won't get any compensation if you destroy your car on this side of the pond...
I don't think they care about the clutch, it's considered a wear item and I don't think any OEM will touch a bum clutch after 10k or so. Driver error will be the reason for refusal to fix.
I did find I had issues attempt to back up 1,000lb with my Jetta. It had enough power, but gearing was the issue. Probably any torque convertor would have no issue with the job, but I did find in my very limited experience that perhaps there is some truth to the limits. Perhaps.
On the flip side, on your side of the pond very few buy vehicles that we might consider "worthy" tow rigs, thus there is just as much incentive to play up a sedans towing ability as there is disincentive to play it down over here. The truth likely resides between the two extremes, colored heavily by advertising and profits.
I did find I had issues attempt to back up 1,000lb with my Jetta. It had enough power, but gearing was the issue. Probably any torque convertor would have no issue with the job, but I did find in my very limited experience that perhaps there is some truth to the limits. Perhaps.
On the flip side, on your side of the pond very few buy vehicles that we might consider "worthy" tow rigs, thus there is just as much incentive to play up a sedans towing ability as there is disincentive to play it down over here. The truth likely resides between the two extremes, colored heavily by advertising and profits.
Originally Posted By: supton
I don't think they care about the clutch, it's considered a wear item and I don't think any OEM will touch a bum clutch after 10k or so. Driver error will be the reason for refusal to fix.
I did find I had issues attempt to back up 1,000lb with my Jetta. It had enough power, but gearing was the issue. Probably any torque convertor would have no issue with the job, but I did find in my very limited experience that perhaps there is some truth to the limits. Perhaps.
On the flip side, on your side of the pond very few buy vehicles that we might consider "worthy" tow rigs, thus there is just as much incentive to play up a sedans towing ability as there is disincentive to play it down over here. The truth likely resides between the two extremes, colored heavily by advertising and profits.
Atleast in Ontario, to be legal, you only need brakes on trailer with a gross weight rating above 3000lbs. Under that, you can tow a 2990lb unbraked trailer with whatever you want, regardless of the manufacturers ratings. There are some regs about being able to stop from 25mph in certain distances, but they are easy to meet with modern brakes and tires.
The key though to driving with a 2990lb unbraked trailer is keeping your speed down to 60mph and drive carefully. In the US this seems to be an impossible condition for people to respect, the rest of the world seems to manage somehow.
I don't think they care about the clutch, it's considered a wear item and I don't think any OEM will touch a bum clutch after 10k or so. Driver error will be the reason for refusal to fix.
I did find I had issues attempt to back up 1,000lb with my Jetta. It had enough power, but gearing was the issue. Probably any torque convertor would have no issue with the job, but I did find in my very limited experience that perhaps there is some truth to the limits. Perhaps.
On the flip side, on your side of the pond very few buy vehicles that we might consider "worthy" tow rigs, thus there is just as much incentive to play up a sedans towing ability as there is disincentive to play it down over here. The truth likely resides between the two extremes, colored heavily by advertising and profits.
Atleast in Ontario, to be legal, you only need brakes on trailer with a gross weight rating above 3000lbs. Under that, you can tow a 2990lb unbraked trailer with whatever you want, regardless of the manufacturers ratings. There are some regs about being able to stop from 25mph in certain distances, but they are easy to meet with modern brakes and tires.
The key though to driving with a 2990lb unbraked trailer is keeping your speed down to 60mph and drive carefully. In the US this seems to be an impossible condition for people to respect, the rest of the world seems to manage somehow.
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
The key though to driving with a 2990lb unbraked trailer is keeping your speed down to 60mph and drive carefully. In the US this seems to be an impossible condition for people to respect, the rest of the world seems to manage somehow.
After watching Top Gear I'm not so sure it's that well tolerated elsewhere.
States with trucks limited to one speed and cars another also seem to draw ire. Probably lack of 3 lane wide roads (with trucks prohibited from the left lane).
The key though to driving with a 2990lb unbraked trailer is keeping your speed down to 60mph and drive carefully. In the US this seems to be an impossible condition for people to respect, the rest of the world seems to manage somehow.
After watching Top Gear I'm not so sure it's that well tolerated elsewhere.
States with trucks limited to one speed and cars another also seem to draw ire. Probably lack of 3 lane wide roads (with trucks prohibited from the left lane).
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