IS350 - Dump the factory fill ?

[ssaffioti]

Hello all -- Picked up a 2014 IS350 a month or so ago. OCI's are every 10k according to Lexus with 0W-20. Current mileage is about 1200. I don't expect to have any problems with 10k OCI's using the Toyota Synthetic, but should I dump the factory fill early?

I only hesitate because I don't know if the factory fill is anything special.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: ssaffioti
should I dump the factory fill early?

Only if it helps you sleep better at night.

 

[dparm]

Nice ride. Check the owner's manual -- is the first oil change at 5k or 10k? Many manufacturers have the first change early, then move to a longer interval.

 

[y_p_w]

Nothing special in there right now. I think the biggest deal would be the oil filter. It's a cartridge filter? If so, research all the tools you'll need first, because I hear the filter housing can be a huge pain without the right tools.

 

[SatinSilver]

Yes, and schedule an early am appointment. Fresh bakery that way.

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

You are going to get many opinions on this. Personally? I see oil as CHEAP compared to the cost of a motor and would never go 10k on oil no matter what. I still struggle with this, "lets get every ounce of life out of the $10 a qt oil" mentality. That engine costs $5000 or more, So to me??? I change Oil WWWAAAYYY for often. Yeah I maybe "wasting" money to some, but as mentioned, Oil is cheap compared to a new motor, or new cams, or new anything in that engine compartment.

Yes I would dump your factory Fill at your mileage. Then with a synthetic 0w20 chage every 5K miles. That gives you a good "cushion" in my book.

For my car as an example, they recommend 10K oil changes. According to Blackstone Labs, they recommend 5k (based on my UOA's). mmmmmm Who do you believe??? Is why I always give myself a "cushion" or a "margin of error" with the oil. No harm will come changing it too often, harm may come if you dont change it often enough.

Thats my ten cents. Let the arguements begin.

Jeff

 

[stchman]

I've always been an advocate of changing the factory oil at ~1000 miles then the manufacturer's interval thereafter.

I am not aware of any special lubricants that auto makers use at the factory.

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted By: stchman
I've always been an advocate of changing the factory oil at ~1000 miles then the manufacturer's interval thereafter.

I am not aware of any special lubricants that auto makers use at the factory.


Honda might not agree with your post.
I paid attention to Honda with our '12 Accord.
I've always done an early change on anything else we've bought new.
Not sure that it really matters either way.

 

[y_p_w]

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
You are going to get many opinions on this. Personally? I see oil as CHEAP compared to the cost of a motor and would never go 10k on oil no matter what. I still struggle with this, "lets get every ounce of life out of the $10 a qt oil" mentality. That engine costs $5000 or more, So to me??? I change Oil WWWAAAYYY for often. Yeah I maybe "wasting" money to some, but as mentioned, Oil is cheap compared to a new motor, or new cams, or new anything in that engine compartment.

I understand the belief that motor oil is "contaminated" and that frequent oil changes reduce the level of contamination in the long haul. However, modern motor oil has been heavily formulated to counteract whatever is in the oil. Not only that, but metal wear has been shown to be higher for a certain amount of use immediately after an oil change because of the time/heat/pressure it takes for the antiwear additives to activate. In some ways, putting the oil in this state more often might be somewhat detrimental to engine life. Of course it's a balance of replacing the oil before it's unsuitable to protect the engine while not doing it so often that you're bypassing the benefits of the oil itself.

 

[ssaffioti]

The first oil change is at 10K miles.

For fun: The cost of a new longblock from Lexus is $14,389.57 according to Sewell's OEM parts website, and the cost of a short block is $5,530.

The oil filter is a cartridge type, but I have the tool to remove it.

I don't know if there are many UOAs for the 2GR-FSE on 0W-20. I'll probably spend some time digging around for those.

 

[cchase]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: stchman
I've always been an advocate of changing the factory oil at ~1000 miles then the manufacturer's interval thereafter.

I am not aware of any special lubricants that auto makers use at the factory.


Honda might not agree with your post.
I paid attention to Honda with our '12 Accord.
I've always done an early change on anything else we've bought new.
Not sure that it really matters either way.


Is there actual evidence that Honda is using a special break-in oil or just a high moly assembly lube?

 

[Roob]

Very nice car!
If Lexus told you that your warranty required OCI's are 10,000 miles and that is what is required with the factory fill too, then follow that. Unless they said to change the FF early, don't. It's going to be TGMO and you have nothing to worry about with that oil for that OCI.
Just drive the car for 8800 more miles and then change the oil...

 

[CurtisB]

If your owners manual does not state you need to change it early than I would not worry one bit to run it a full interval. I would be astounded if Toyota would use anything but synthetic or at the minimum a synthetic blend in any new engine hot off the press. The factory fill in my new Ford is at 5000km and still a very light brown colour and would no doubt show outstanding on a UOA.

 

[stchman]

Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: stchman
I've always been an advocate of changing the factory oil at ~1000 miles then the manufacturer's interval thereafter.

I am not aware of any special lubricants that auto makers use at the factory.


Honda might not agree with your post.
I paid attention to Honda with our '12 Accord.
I've always done an early change on anything else we've bought new.
Not sure that it really matters either way.


Is there actual evidence that Honda is using a special break-in oil or just a high moly assembly lube?


From what I've read, Honda uses Mobil 1 as the oil for a factory fill. I cannot verify this, just read is on many Honda forums.

 

[fdcg27]

No evidence either way.
Only that Honda is adamant that the FF should be run a normal chnage interval, which I did.

 

[fdcg27]

I doubt that Honda uses M1 as FF in any engine.
More likely they use the same suppliers they use to blend HGMO.
Probably Idemitsu or CP.
Probably not XOM.

 

[stchman]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
No evidence either way.
Only that Honda is adamant that the FF should be run a normal chnage interval, which I did.


Honda only gives a 5 year 60K powertrain warranty, after that it is all yours.

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
No evidence either way.
Only that Honda is adamant that the FF should be run a normal chnage interval, which I did.


Honda only gives a 5 year 60K powertrain warranty, after that it is all yours.


Yeah, we've had eight of them, the '12 being the eighth.
More than happy to have one of these long-lived four cylinders as "all mine".

 

[raytseng]

Suprised you weren't able to negotiate a first free service from lexus.

But anyway, yea don't change just yet, but not necessarily for the reasons you'd think.

In order to save you some time, take some time to get go know your car, and figure out all the things that aren't quite right that you can get fixed for no cost. There are also CBEST owner settings that can modify the behavior of your car.

Once you got your list of everything that is wrong or niggling you, then you can take it in, and get all the things you want repaired in 1 shot. Then you can try to negotiate your way to free 1st service at the same time

 

[chubbs1]

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
You are going to get many opinions on this. Personally? I see oil as CHEAP compared to the cost of a motor and would never go 10k on oil no matter what. I still struggle with this, "lets get every ounce of life out of the $10 a qt oil" mentality. That engine costs $5000 or more, So to me??? I change Oil WWWAAAYYY for often. Yeah I maybe "wasting" money to some, but as mentioned, Oil is cheap compared to a new motor, or new cams, or new anything in that engine compartment.

Yes I would dump your factory Fill at your mileage. Then with a synthetic 0w20 chage every 5K miles. That gives you a good "cushion" in my book.

For my car as an example, they recommend 10K oil changes. According to Blackstone Labs, they recommend 5k (based on my UOA's). mmmmmm Who do you believe??? Is why I always give myself a "cushion" or a "margin of error" with the oil. No harm will come changing it too often, harm may come if you dont change it often enough.

Thats my ten cents. Let the arguements begin.

Jeff


God forbid DNewton reads this post...lol

Really, I kind of agree to err on the side of caution. No need to run the factory fill in this engine more than 3k. I would also go forward with M1 0w20 at 7500mi. intervals and sleep well at night.