Is Uber The New McJob?

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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice


$21 an hour with full benefits, retirement, paid training, insurance, OT, etc... is even better. It simply doesn't pay to drive as a contractor for a ride sharing company.



$5/hr with those benefits would be better.
 
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Bingo. Saw a few nasty auto bodily injury claims with Uber riders. Driver gets distracted, hits a telephone pole, and is at fault for the accident which injured his/her passenger. Driver's insurance denies coverage, Uber wants nothing to do with it, and now the passenger sues the Uber driver for their medical bills.

I could go on and on, and will avoid using Uber until I absolutely have to. I'd rather have a friend drive me to the airport for a few bucks in gas.


How can Uber's insurance deny coverage? Uber and Lyft are supposed to cover an excess liability that the driver's own personal car insurance won't cover.
Are you saying riders are NOT covered at all (liability BI/PD)?


The problem is there are so many gray areas, and the company does that purposefully. Technically the drivers are contractors for Uber. While in some instances Uber may be responsible, you can't get them to pay if they never acknowledge the claim. We had situations where people were waiting months to hear back from them, and finally just used their own policy or sued the driver so they could get injuries cured and vehicles fixed. Insurance companies do the same thing, it is all a waiting game of who breaks first. If it is within the coverage of the driver's policy and their insurance won't deny coverage for taxi service, they can usually just get away with that. However, with more people driving for Uber, insurance companies see it as a risk and now investigate more thoroughly.

I had the same waiting game thing happened with an accident I was personally involved in. It was 100% the other driver's fault, I was stopped at a stop sign. My vehicle was considered totaled, but the other driver's insurance never called me back with payment for damages. They were hoping I would just give up and go away. I called every day for a month with no answer. Finally my father called them and threatened to sue and somehow they called back an hour later with an offer.
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Claims work the same way. Having worked in that environment I now have a little sympathy for adjusters, going back and forth with everyone involved and coming to an agreement for several cases a day in a world where you get penalized for paying out to insureds is crazy.
 
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
The problem is there are so many gray areas, and the company does that purposefully.


I was afraid that was the way it worked. I guess we need stronger laws and/or attorney general actions to threaten to cancel those companies licenses to sell insurance in a particular state.

There are so many Uber and Lyft accidents out there, I'd like to see data on how it went, on average, and how many times Uber or Lyft pulled dishonest stunts.
 
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If you get the $11 back from the tax man it doesn't sound so bad.
Does it really? Or you subtract that from your income thus saving $11*
There is a huge difference between tax deduction and tax credit.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Does a person really want to be on the road on a Saturday night / early Sunday morning to get surge pricing?

Its better to work part-time retail than risk it working for Uber. Lots of drivers protest but they should walk away, not get upset.


I'm on another forum with an Uber driver in Denver...he is quite happy with it.
 
It's like anything. Some markets there is great opportunity and ability to make some cash while other two horse towns a stupid idea to create any business like this.

I found in DC the supply of them great and very happy to take us on 5-10 min drives with very pleasant drivers in Uber-x because I was a family of 5. So all 6 passenger plus vehicles in excellent condition and clean. Taxis were very expensive in for 5 passenger and dirty.
 
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies


There are so many Uber and Lyft accidents out there, I'd like to see data on how it went, on average, and how many times Uber or Lyft pulled dishonest stunts.


I agree, and would be very interested in the data as well. I have a few friends who still work at the insurance company, and would be interested to see figures. I'm sure the company is well aware of the numbers, but certainly isn't something they would publish.
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Does a person really want to be on the road on a Saturday night / early Sunday morning to get surge pricing?

Its better to work part-time retail than risk it working for Uber. Lots of drivers protest but they should walk away, not get upset.


I'm on another forum with an Uber driver in Denver...he is quite happy with it.


If he's happy then I'm happy for him... but I still prefer a job with benefits.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle


I'm on another forum with an Uber driver in Denver...he is quite happy with it.


If he's happy then I'm happy for him... but I still prefer a job with benefits.



Don't we all but maybe that driver's spouse is the "insurance breadwinner".

It actually plays life's cards pretty well to have one "steady" breadwinner and one "peaky" who can work few hours if the kid is sick or a bunch if business is temporarily roaring.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
. but I still prefer a job with benefits.


A "job with benefits" is going to require the employee to be at a certain place for a certain number of hours on a certain number of days per week. Being free from job scheduling is incredibly liberating. Don't knock it until you try it.
 
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
A "job with benefits" is going to require the employee to be at a certain place for a certain number of hours on a certain number of days per week. Being free from job scheduling is incredibly liberating. Don't knock it until you try it.


That is a big appeal to this low-paying, slightly dangerous gig.
Drive when you want, as much as you want, in whatever neighborhoods you want (many avoid high traffic and/or high crime areas).
 
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
$48 is a great weekly rate. Uber estimates a payment of around $116 per week with their leasing program but that would be with a Corolla or Camry and a year or two old.

https://www.uber.com/drive/vehicle-solutions/leasing/

The local Enterprise is charging $200 flat-rate/week for Uber cars. The branch manager tells me they often come back in need of a major detail or missing trim and sometimes a tow truck. They were all Hyundai and Nissan products.
 
Originally Posted By: nthach
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
$48 is a great weekly rate. Uber estimates a payment of around $116 per week with their leasing program but that would be with a Corolla or Camry and a year or two old.

https://www.uber.com/drive/vehicle-solutions/leasing/

The local Enterprise is charging $200 flat-rate/week for Uber cars. The branch manager tells me they often come back in need of a major detail or missing trim and sometimes a tow truck. They were all Hyundai and Nissan products.


That $48 is for Lyft, not Uber, and only in certain cities. The $48 is really just the tax portion, not the base rate of $180 per week that Lyft pays entirely for an Elantra/Cruze/Corolla/Sentra, whatever they find in the lot for you. Lyft advertises that the "car is free", which is not quite true, since you will pay $48 in taxes.

Of course, if you don't get at least 70 rides in the week, then you pay the full $228 rental fee to Hertz as punishment.
 
In the days before Uber and Lyft, cabbies and cab companies were known as the worst scum of the universe.

In the post Era, all of a sudden cab companies are well regulated and responsible, and the ride share companies are the villains.

Incredible how perspective has changed.

With regards to the drivers, keep in mind that a lot of these people are coming from jobs where they did not make money, and had to put up with getting stomped on by a boss, and bouncing off of incompetent and combatant coworkers. To them, still making very little money, but doing it on their terms while having a motor vehicle at their disposal is an improvement.

Taking the bus to go get beat up at a fast food joint may as well be the seventh level of Hades by comparison.
 
Theory does not feed the family. Take $14-($.54 X 40 miles)= -$7.60. Not bad if you like giving rides.
 
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