Is it time to just say no?

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
We can have some compression tests with that compression tester Trav talked about and see what products increase compression. I am sure there are several products that might increase compression. We could test several products-MMO, Kreen, LM, Seafoam, Restore, Auto-RX Plus, etc.

What if compression readings go up with several of those products? Do we then just pick the cheapest product that works in the least amount of time?

After all, apparently engine appearance does not count when it comes to an engine cleaner, correct?


If appearance doesn't matter and all provide similar verifiable results that of course going with the cheapest and fastest solution is the thing to do.
A fool and his money are easily parted.

 

[V8man]

ARX - why it IS the miracle fluid!



dnewton3


Registered: 05/14/07
Posts: 4414
Loc: Indianapolis, IN



I just completed my second ARX application/rinse. I don't know that there are enough superlatives I can find to express how pleased I am with the performance of ARX.

For those who don't know my story, read the whole thing here:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1128803&fpart=1

But if you want a synopsis, I'll provide this:
1997 Taurus 3.0 Vulcan; heavily coked piston rings. Very poor compression. There were two treatments of ARX application/rinse. First was an "experiment" with Frank and Gary; second was a "traditional" treatment. The initial test was 2x the dose for 1k miles, followed by a 2k mile rinse. The second application was at 90k miles with 2.5k miles application and 2.5k miles rinse.

The final result?????
ALL CYLINDERS ARE NOW AT FULL COMPRESSION! The last lagging cylinder (#5) is now up over 180psi in yesterday's compression test, along with all the rest. The following is a recap of the compression in psi, with each reading taken at the beginning of the event.

event.....2app..rns...1app..rns.....final check
milage....87k...88k...90K...92.5k...95k
cyl 1:.....170...180...180...180.....180
cyl 2:.....170...180...180...180.....180
cyl 3:.....165...180...180...180.....180
cyl 4:.....120...180...180...180.....180
cyl 5:.....110...150...160...170.....180
cyl 6:.....180...180...180...180.....180


Lets take a look at these compression numbers with Pennzoil Platinum and auto-rx, followed by the numbers with auto-rx and dino oil. At 85K Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 was put in this engine, at 87K compression numbers were taken and auto-rx was added in the oil.

At 88K compression numbers were taken again, cylinder #4 went from 120 to 180, so that cylinder is fine. We now have cylinder #5 going from 110 to 150, the problem is that we do not have compression numbers when this engine had 85K. This engine had a mishap at 50K when a freeze plug bursted, right near cylinders 4 and 5. What is interesting is that there were no problems from 50K onward, meaning there was no sign that there was a compression problem, the engine ran fine.

At 90K cylinder #5 went from 150 to 160, and at 92.5K cylider #5 was at 170, and at 95K cylider #5 was at 180, so how much credit do we give auto-rx and how much credit do we give Pennzoil Platinum.

When I look at these numbers I can say that auto-rx increased this engines compression in increments of 10. Cylinder #5 had the biggest increase with Pennzoil Platinum and auto-rx in the engine, it went up by 40 psi, so I give Pennzoil Platinum credit for 30 psi and auto-rx 10 psi. Why am I giving auto-rx only 10 psi, because after the Pennzoil Platinum was out of the engine it only saw a 10 psi increase with dino oil and auto-rx, or just dino oil alone for the so called rinse.

When I step out of the box, and really look hard at these numbers I come up with some conclusions, Pennzoil Platinum by itself would easily bring this engines compression numbers back up. I also see here that when you add auto-rx with Pennzoil Platinum you have PP doing 80% of the cleaning and auto-rx doing 20% of the cleaning. You cannot get away from the fact that PP did some cleaning, some members keep throwing this test out that auto-rx works, but this test proves that auto-rx works a little bit, and it proves that Pennzoil Platinum really works. If PP did not do any cleaning then cylinder #5 with PP and auto-rx should only have gone up by 10 psi.

This test also proves that Pennzoil Platinum is a cheaper and faster alternative than using auto-rx in cleaning up Ring Packs.

 

[Mystic]

What the heck, here is a test with compression readings and the Pennzoil Platinum outperformed the engine cleaner! People keep demanding compression test proof-here is compression test proof! And the Pennzoil Platinum worked very well.

 

[Trav]

I am not so sure about that post being authentic. We can discuss compression test, how they are done and all that but this is going way too far in the weeds for me. I'm out!

 

[Mystic]

The post by dnewton3 may not be accurate? We should be able to find out with somebody doing a search. If it is not accurate it can be thrown out or this post can be locked by the moderators.

I want only accurate information posted.

 

[Trav]

Someone was using the man's name to post stuff on the internet a while back.
Its not right and i want nothing to do with kind of nonsense. Keep it real and keep it honest or don't post it.

 

[Mystic]

If inaccurate information was put here and if a post was not accurately quoted I want the moderators to lock this post. We must have accurate information and people must be quoted accurately. I get angry every time somebody does not accurately quote me or twists what I say.

The last thing I will say is this-I want an engine cleaner that is a complete engine cleaner-one that cleans the entire engine AND increases compression and fuel mileage. I am still looking for that cleaner.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Someone was using the man's name to post stuff on the internet a while back.
Its not right and i want nothing to do with kind of nonsense. Keep it real and keep it honest or don't post it.



+1 Someone used my name to post garbage too, that isn't right!

 

[Mystic]

It is great how people check to be sure everything is accurate. I don't have a lot of practice doing searches here. Can somebody find out if the information above supposedly posted by dnewton3 is accurate or not? I would assume that information was posted here or else at some other website where Auto-RX was being discussed.

Maybe it is best to just start a new post where various products can be compression tested. There seems to be general agreement here that compression tests are the way to determine cleaning effectiveness. We could test which products improved compression the most in the least amount of time and which successful products cost the least amount of money. I am going to ask a moderator to lock this thread.

 

[antiqueshell]

Funny how not ONCE in this thread has ANYONE brought up the issue of WHY such snake oils refuse to pay for
INDEPENDENT, CERTIFIED TESTING, FROM A WELL KNOWN ORGANIZATION (eg SAE).

When MMO, or any of the other snake oils can bring me scientific proof of improvement, then I will be interested in their claims.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
. There seems to be general agreement here that compression tests are the way to determine cleaning effectiveness.


I wouldn't call it a general agreement that compression tests are the way to determine cleaning effectiveness. Compression tests determine if compression is being improved by cleaning products. Clean in the opinion of some of us is a visual thing. Why not test both? Keep everyone happy.

 

[Mystic]

I think it would be very expensive to try to get SAE approval, even if the SAE or API would do some sort of testing. These small companies may not be able to afford the testing.

But you are right-they do not have SAE, API approval and I don't know of any scientific testing for any of these products.

 

[Mystic]

Well, I think an engine cleaner should clean an engine also visually and not just improve compression readings.

I am just about at the point where I am going to stop using all supplements of any kind except for maybe some that actually are made by large oil companies (like Techron fuel system cleaner) and just use high quality motor oil forget about all of the third party stuff. Who really needs any of this stuff. I might stop posting in the Oil Additives Section.

 

[Mystic]

I have asked a moderator to lock this thread. I will not allow inaccurate information to be posted in a thread I started if I can help it. I know very well what it is like to be misquoted and my words twisted. I don't know how long it will take to get the thread locked up.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: V8man

ARX - why it IS the miracle fluid!



dnewton3


Registered: 05/14/07
Posts: 4414
Loc: Indianapolis, IN



I just completed my second ARX application/rinse. I don't know that there are enough superlatives I can find to express how pleased I am with the performance of ARX.

For those who don't know my story, read the whole thing here:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1128803&fpart=1

But if you want a synopsis, I'll provide this:
1997 Taurus 3.0 Vulcan; heavily coked piston rings. Very poor compression. There were two treatments of ARX application/rinse. First was an "experiment" with Frank and Gary; second was a "traditional" treatment. The initial test was 2x the dose for 1k miles, followed by a 2k mile rinse. The second application was at 90k miles with 2.5k miles application and 2.5k miles rinse.

The final result?????
ALL CYLINDERS ARE NOW AT FULL COMPRESSION! The last lagging cylinder (#5) is now up over 180psi in yesterday's compression test, along with all the rest. The following is a recap of the compression in psi, with each reading taken at the beginning of the event.

event.....2app..rns...1app..rns.....final check
milage....87k...88k...90K...92.5k...95k
cyl 1:.....170...180...180...180.....180
cyl 2:.....170...180...180...180.....180
cyl 3:.....165...180...180...180.....180
cyl 4:.....120...180...180...180.....180
cyl 5:.....110...150...160...170.....180
cyl 6:.....180...180...180...180.....180


Lets take a look at these compression numbers with Pennzoil Platinum and auto-rx, followed by the numbers with auto-rx and dino oil. At 85K Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 was put in this engine, at 87K compression numbers were taken and auto-rx was added in the oil.

At 88K compression numbers were taken again, cylinder #4 went from 120 to 180, so that cylinder is fine. We now have cylinder #5 going from 110 to 150, the problem is that we do not have compression numbers when this engine had 85K. This engine had a mishap at 50K when a freeze plug bursted, right near cylinders 4 and 5. What is interesting is that there were no problems from 50K onward, meaning there was no sign that there was a compression problem, the engine ran fine.

At 90K cylinder #5 went from 150 to 160, and at 92.5K cylider #5 was at 170, and at 95K cylider #5 was at 180, so how much credit do we give auto-rx and how much credit do we give Pennzoil Platinum.

When I look at these numbers I can say that auto-rx increased this engines compression in increments of 10. Cylinder #5 had the biggest increase with Pennzoil Platinum and auto-rx in the engine, it went up by 40 psi, so I give Pennzoil Platinum credit for 30 psi and auto-rx 10 psi. Why am I giving auto-rx only 10 psi, because after the Pennzoil Platinum was out of the engine it only saw a 10 psi increase with dino oil and auto-rx, or just dino oil alone for the so called rinse.

When I step out of the box, and really look hard at these numbers I come up with some conclusions, Pennzoil Platinum by itself would easily bring this engines compression numbers back up. I also see here that when you add auto-rx with Pennzoil Platinum you have PP doing 80% of the cleaning and auto-rx doing 20% of the cleaning. You cannot get away from the fact that PP did some cleaning, some members keep throwing this test out that auto-rx works, but this test proves that auto-rx works a little bit, and it proves that Pennzoil Platinum really works. If PP did not do any cleaning then cylinder #5 with PP and auto-rx should only have gone up by 10 psi.

This test also proves that Pennzoil Platinum is a cheaper and faster alternative than using auto-rx in cleaning up Ring Packs.


This is *exactly* how c3po copys and pastes.

This is what he said:

I just completed my second ARX application/rinse. I don't know that there are enough superlatives I can find to express how pleased I am with the performance of ARX.

For those who don't know my story, read the whole thing here:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1128803&fpart=1

But if you want a synopsis, I'll provide this:
1997 Taurus 3.0 Vulcan; heavily coked piston rings. Very poor compression. There were two treatments of ARX application/rinse. First was an "experiment" with Frank and Gary; second was a "traditional" treatment. The initial test was 2x the dose for 1k miles, followed by a 2k mile rinse. The second application was at 90k miles with 2.5k miles application and 2.5k miles rinse.

The final result?????
ALL CYLINDERS ARE NOW AT FULL COMPRESSION! The last lagging cylinder (#5) is now up over 180psi in yesterday's compression test, along with all the rest. The following is a recap of the compression in psi, with each reading taken at the beginning of the event.

event.....2app..rns...1app..rns.....final check
milage....87k...88k...90K...92.5k...95k
cyl 1:.....170...180...180...180.....180
cyl 2:.....170...180...180...180.....180
cyl 3:.....165...180...180...180.....180
cyl 4:.....120...180...180...180.....180
cyl 5:.....110...150...160...170.....180
cyl 6:.....180...180...180...180.....180


The ARX product flat works. Period. While it cannot reconstruct worn metal, it sure can do nearly anything related to byproduct contamination.

The only thing I regret is that I didn't take the pistons out for pictures of the coking, and then reinstall them and run the ARX. On the bright side, I didn't have to, because the ARX did all the work for me!!! And that's the whole point, isn't it? Why tear down an engine to repair the cumulative effects of combustion byproducts when ARX can do it for you!

Frank, your product is beyond any competition in the market, and it deserves all the praise it garners.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Well then I guess if looks don't matter Kreen worked great in Artem's engine. LOL


Especially when he said it didn't do as well as ARX

 

[FoxS]

Originally Posted By: V8man

ARX - why it IS the miracle fluid!



dnewton3


Registered: 05/14/07
Posts: 4414
Loc: Indianapolis, IN



I just completed my second ARX application/rinse. I don't know that there are enough superlatives I can find to express how pleased I am with the performance of ARX.

For those who don't know my story, read the whole thing here:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1128803&fpart=1

But if you want a synopsis, I'll provide this:
1997 Taurus 3.0 Vulcan; heavily coked piston rings. Very poor compression. There were two treatments of ARX application/rinse. First was an "experiment" with Frank and Gary; second was a "traditional" treatment. The initial test was 2x the dose for 1k miles, followed by a 2k mile rinse. The second application was at 90k miles with 2.5k miles application and 2.5k miles rinse.

The final result?????
ALL CYLINDERS ARE NOW AT FULL COMPRESSION! The last lagging cylinder (#5) is now up over 180psi in yesterday's compression test, along with all the rest. The following is a recap of the compression in psi, with each reading taken at the beginning of the event.

event.....2app..rns...1app..rns.....final check
milage....87k...88k...90K...92.5k...95k
cyl 1:.....170...180...180...180.....180
cyl 2:.....170...180...180...180.....180
cyl 3:.....165...180...180...180.....180
cyl 4:.....120...180...180...180.....180
cyl 5:.....110...150...160...170.....180
cyl 6:.....180...180...180...180.....180


Lets take a look at these compression numbers with Pennzoil Platinum and auto-rx, followed by the numbers with auto-rx and dino oil. At 85K Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 was put in this engine, at 87K compression numbers were taken and auto-rx was added in the oil.

At 88K compression numbers were taken again, cylinder #4 went from 120 to 180, so that cylinder is fine. We now have cylinder #5 going from 110 to 150, the problem is that we do not have compression numbers when this engine had 85K. This engine had a mishap at 50K when a freeze plug bursted, right near cylinders 4 and 5. What is interesting is that there were no problems from 50K onward, meaning there was no sign that there was a compression problem, the engine ran fine.

At 90K cylinder #5 went from 150 to 160, and at 92.5K cylider #5 was at 170, and at 95K cylider #5 was at 180, so how much credit do we give auto-rx and how much credit do we give Pennzoil Platinum.

When I look at these numbers I can say that auto-rx increased this engines compression in increments of 10. Cylinder #5 had the biggest increase with Pennzoil Platinum and auto-rx in the engine, it went up by 40 psi, so I give Pennzoil Platinum credit for 30 psi and auto-rx 10 psi. Why am I giving auto-rx only 10 psi, because after the Pennzoil Platinum was out of the engine it only saw a 10 psi increase with dino oil and auto-rx, or just dino oil alone for the so called rinse.

When I step out of the box, and really look hard at these numbers I come up with some conclusions, Pennzoil Platinum by itself would easily bring this engines compression numbers back up. I also see here that when you add auto-rx with Pennzoil Platinum you have PP doing 80% of the cleaning and auto-rx doing 20% of the cleaning. You cannot get away from the fact that PP did some cleaning, some members keep throwing this test out that auto-rx works, but this test proves that auto-rx works a little bit, and it proves that Pennzoil Platinum really works. If PP did not do any cleaning then cylinder #5 with PP and auto-rx should only have gone up by 10 psi.

This test also proves that Pennzoil Platinum is a cheaper and faster alternative than using auto-rx in cleaning up Ring Packs.



WHOA!!!!!!!

V8man - you've formatted this quote and your comments on it INCORRECTLY and have caused a lot of confusion!!!!!

The top half of this post is dnewtons, the bottom half interpreting the results is V8mans.

And I think that interpretation is flawed.

Compression after 2k of PP was 110psi and 120psi. If in the next 1k you feel that PP was responsible for 30psi increase, then in the 2k when PP was on its own, it had already resulted in 60psi increase which means the compression before PP was 50psi / 60psi.

Dnewton stated that he noticed fuel economy improvements and I think power improvements going from 110psi / 120psi to full / almost full compression.

So he would have noticed the same during that 2k with PP only.

You interpreted his data the way you wanted to believe it.

On top of that the way you quoted him and added your comments has confused everyone!

TWO SERIOUS MISTAKES!

 

[FoxS]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
What the heck, here is a test with compression readings and the Pennzoil Platinum outperformed the engine cleaner! People keep demanding compression test proof-here is compression test proof! And the Pennzoil Platinum worked very well.


This just goes to show that you never read dnewtons original post.

That's a pity as it has been pointed out many times and dnewton is highly scientific, rigorous, and trusted.

I guess some people are quick to believe what they want to.

 

[FoxS]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, I think an engine cleaner should clean an engine also visually and not just improve compression readings.

I am just about at the point where I am going to stop using all supplements of any kind except for maybe some that actually are made by large oil companies (like Techron fuel system cleaner) and just use high quality motor oil forget about all of the third party stuff. Who really needs any of this stuff. I might stop posting in the Oil Additives Section.


WOOHOO!

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Trav
Someone was using the man's name to post stuff on the internet a while back.
Its not right and i want nothing to do with kind of nonsense. Keep it real and keep it honest or don't post it.



+1 Someone used my name to post garbage too, that isn't right!


And not just your name. Gary Allan, Gary Allan Jr, dnewton3 are just a few. His account got suspended at f150online, and no one at E46fanatics bought into his nonsense either.