iron in M1 (EP)

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Sorry to bring this up (I have read posts all over about this) but I have not really found a good answer, even from the Mobil 1 rep. By my calculation M1 EP could be a cost effective synthetic product but I am concerned about the iron found in some of the UOA (several of these are regular M1, not the EP). I've also read the posts discussing particle size of the iron. I'm open to OPINION or anything else on this.

Sorry if I missed a conclusion on this topic, I did look for it!
 
I have not been keeping up with this much lately but i thought this issue was mostly with the regular M1 5 and 10w30. Not so much the EP oils.
 
I was unaware there was any iron issue with the latest M1 SN UOA's in any flavor. Have noticed the latest PU SN UOA's giving "higher" iron numbers but nobody thinks its a problem. What are you running?
 
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Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: Bayman
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/mobil-1-qa/


Mobil did NOT answer the OP's question in this link.


We are not going to be able to answer the question, maybe we need to ask Blackstone.

This subject has been covered before, it really is not an issue.
 
I haven't seen a bad M1 UOA in two years or so. It was quite the controversy at the time, but with the change to the SN formulation I don't think it is an issue anymore (whether it was at that time is debatable).

So I don't think there ever was a conclusion, but more importantly it doesn't seem to matter anymore anyway.
 
Originally Posted By: bepperb
I haven't seen a bad M1 UOA in two years or so. It was quite the controversy at the time, but with the change to the SN formulation I don't think it is an issue anymore (whether it was at that time is debatable).

So I don't think there ever was a conclusion, but more importantly it doesn't seem to matter anymore anyway.



I think XOM should have owned up if M1 had a problem when the other majors (Valvoline, Pennzoil, Quaker State, & Castrol) were calling them out for not passing the Sequence IVA test (cam wear). Seems like the bad publicity and the higher iron UOA's posted on the Internet have tarnished their reputation and created a loss of trust.
 
Fe is trending lower than avg on the SN stuff.

They also show on their website how M1 5w30 performed on the SEQ IVA and IIIG tests.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
Fe is trending lower than avg on the SN stuff.

They also show on their website how M1 5w30 performed on the SEQ IVA and IIIG tests.


Buster,

Would you post a link to the performance of M1 on the 2 tests you mentioned. I tried searching the M1 site using every possible search tool, but did not find anything related to M1 5w30 performance on these tests. I'm impressed that they published it. Thanks...
 
As a M1 user and turbo guy, I can say, without any doubt, there is no "wear" issue associated with M1. In fact, in teardown after teardown, M1 engines were always in excellent shape. Often, surprisingly so.

The high Fe numbers were not the result of cylinder walls wearing out more rapidly. After 255,000 miles on M1 10w30, a borescope inspection shows the crosshatch hone pattern was still in my F150 4.6L pickup truck. And, that engine was/is abused beyond belief. It's still running perfectly, and I expect a decade of additional service from it!
 
Originally Posted By: Cujet
As a M1 user and turbo guy, I can say, without any doubt, there is no "wear" issue associated with M1. In fact, in teardown after teardown, M1 engines were always in excellent shape. Often, surprisingly so.

The high Fe numbers were not the result of cylinder walls wearing out more rapidly. After 255,000 miles on M1 10w30, a borescope inspection shows the crosshatch hone pattern was still in my F150 4.6L pickup truck. And, that engine was/is abused beyond belief. It's still running perfectly, and I expect a decade of additional service from it!


Between myself and my son we put 348K On a 91 Ranger 3.0. The valve covers were never removed, the engine oil consumption remained the same from start to the day he sold it last year, and the engine was still very quite on cold starts. This was with M1 10-30 with 10-14K OCIs. I did 10K, my son extended the OCI out to 14K several times.
 
and many more engines have run dino the equivalent number of miles with the same results. Engine Cleanliness is not a wear indicator
IMO XOM's reputation was irreversibly tarnished with the wear data provided by their competitors,which just happen to coincide with Katrina. I choose to use SOPUS oils
 
Originally Posted By: steve20
and many more engines have run dino the equivalent number of miles with the same results. Engine Cleanliness is not a wear indicator
IMO XOM's reputation was irreversibly tarnished with the wear data provided by their competitors,which just happen to coincide with Katrina. I choose to use SOPUS oils


And you have chosen a fine product. If M1 oils disapeared tomorrow, Penz would be my next oil change. As for the irreversibly tarnished comment, that may be the case with you(did you use M1 oils before Katrina?)but not with the public. I questioned an oil change guy recently at WM as he was retrieveing oil off the shelf, and he said M1 is far and away their biggest synthetic oil seller. He said no one else comes close.
 
I got rather high iron in my BMW K75 Bike with Mobil 1. I didn't want to blame the oil until I also finished a 4000mile run with Valvoline VR-1 dino. High Iron there too! So, I have no problem with the oil.

I have seen no wear issues with Mobil 1 and have been using it for Decades!
 
^I've heard some disappointing numbers from Valvoline's VR products at times now that you bring it up...

If one is going to 'compared' oils with basic UOAs, you can only end up with an idea not really a fact. Find out what your engines operating 'stamp' looks like before just swapping 1 oil out for another between changes and thinking a UOA will help determine the better oil. If anything, it's only going to tell you how your engine is running; perhaps signs of impending/present mechanical issues.
 
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As an ex oil and product tester (outboard oils, Mobil 1 products) , I can tell you that the typical UOA done by Blackstone, Dyson, Avlabs and the others, don't often contain valid wear rate data. It's useful for trend only, same lab, same oil, same engine.

For example, the iron numbers are in PPM (parts per million) . If, you were to measure the size and weight of the particulates, you might, might have some wear based data. However, that's a rare and expensive set of tests. Even then, there are far too many variables.

Stop and consider just how much wear it takes to produce 50PPM, for example (it's tiny). And, do those 50 particulates remain suspended? Or do some of them remain elsewhere? Like in the sludge of a conventional oil, infrequently changed? Or, in the case of certain engine designs, lodged in drilled passages in the crankshaft, through centripetal force.

A far more valid set of wear related testing protocols are involved. Including actual part measurements with scanning electron microscopes. Both destructive and non destructive.

I don't claim to be an expert. I will claim to have seen the experts at work, and it's mighty impressive.

UOA is a tool, and not anywhere near sufficient to determine wear rates, especially between brands, users, and engine types.
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