Mobil 1 Q&A
Hello, Members of BITOG,
First of all, we want to say thank you to everyone who submitted questions for this Q&A. We expected the questions to be thoughtful and you definitely met that expectation.
In order to make our responses more readable, rather than answer them in the same order in which they were posted, we’ve taken the liberty of grouping similar questions together. In a few cases, we were able to answer multiple questions with a single response. We’ve included the original text of each question asked to us so that those who posed questions can find theirs, but we did edit for length (not content) in some cases. Again, this was done solely to make this Q&A more readable. If you’d like to see all of the original questions, they can be found on the thread linked here: http://bit.ly/c6HQkt.
As we stated in our original post asking for questions, we are unable to answer questions about formulation or future products. We have answered as many questions as possible and do hope that the information listed below will prove informative and useful.
Thanks again for your participation!
Sincerely,
Ray McDonald
Global Technical Advisor, Synthetic Passenger Vehicle Lubricants, ExxonMobil Lubricants & Specialties
And the team behind Mobil 1
“For unknown reasons, Mobil 1 tends to show higher Fe in various oil analysis reports compared to other branded oils in similar driving conditions. I’ve been on this website long enough to know that it’s a real characteristic of the oil. We understand that this may be nothing ‘significant’ at all, and that the scientific process is far from good considering the used oil analysis samples we see on here. Can XOM confirm that the perceived higher than normal Fe is not a problem?”
We will respond to the question, which will be followed by text from the other posts that essentially asked the same thing.
Iron particles in used oil are to be expected, as the iron in engine components, such as cam shafts, timing chains and gears, piston pins and rings and cylinder liner, wears down during normal operation. To determine if the level of iron particles is higher than it should be, a wide range of factors need to be assessed. These include whether the car is driven in normal or harsh operating conditions, the amount of highway driving versus city driving, whether the engine is subjected to stop-and-go driving, and the volume of cold starts and temperature extremes the engine endures. Also, car and engine model and frequency of oil changes will have a significant effect on how much iron ends up in the engine oil.
All these factors can impact the amount of iron that goes into the oil, so it is necessary to consider all of these elements when establishing what a typical level of iron should be. For example, a highly engineered vehicle/engine design operated under relatively mild conditions (e.g., mostly highway operation) over a standard oil drain interval may generate iron levels as low as 20 – 25 parts per million. Alternatively, an engine of average design, operated through more severe conditions such as an extended oil drain interval, may yield iron levels in the range of 200 – 300 parts per million. Based on the iron-content numbers of the UOA analysis typically described by BITOG users, the stated levels should not be a concern and show that Mobil 1 is protecting engine parts as promised.
Also, used oil analysis (UOA) is only one dimension when it comes to assessing engine oil performance. Ultimately, UOA should be combined with engine inspections and measurements to more accurately assess the performance of the oil.
If iron content of a UOA is considered higher than expected, the next step is to determine the cause of the premature wear. In order to do this, evaluate other data points from the UOA report to obtain a more complete picture as to what’s going on in the engine. Premature engine wear is often due to mechanical issues, not the oil. For example, elevated levels of lead and/or copper, particularly in combination with a positive glycol dilution test, would indicate that there may be a coolant leak within the engine. Coolant dilution in the engine oil (which would occur from something like a crack in the head gasket) would cause rapid acceleration of wear metals in the engine oil.
Other questions on this topic included:
Why do the UOA’s show higher iron than other synthetic oil UOA’s?
As a long time Mobil 1 user, I must reiterate the concerns others have expressed about the clearly higher iron content in UOA reports. I would like to understand the reason and physical/chemical mechanism behind the elevated levels. I understand the absolute iron levels are not of much concern, but the relatively higher levels are disturbing when one is paying top dollar for what is perceived to be a top class product. This is especially true when considered in the context of your competitor’s claims that the 5W-30 has failed the cam wear specification in the Sequence IV engine test.
Why do dozens upon dozens of M1 UOA’s show significantly higher Fe than other oils in the same application? (You can confirm this yourself by checking under UOA section, where most of the tests are done by Blackstone.) Recently even ESP has shown higher Fe wear in one if the UOA, there is an absolute consensus among BITOGER’S that this is true. This is “The Most” pressing question about M1 and I really hope that you get to the bottom of this.
Obviously the high iron content is my top question, along with many other BITOG’ers. it seems like if every other oil has managed lower iron content then Mobil 1 is obviously missing something. Is it due to some sort of chemical reaction possibly?
I would like for you to address the high iron issues on UOA reports, and explain this as well as you can without giving away any proprietary information of course (read please go in depth on your answer not just a no the high iron readings will not hurt, or it’s just noise from a chemical reaction etc) if you could give some data, show us how you got your answer etc.. The high iron readings is/has been a huge issue with M1 oils, and I myself do admit to having second thoughts because of this.
Mobil 1 5W-30 should have no problem providing protection for these type of engines. In fact, all Corvettes and many race teams use Mobil 1 5W-30. Note that for extremely high cam/spring pressure, high-performance applications, we also have a product called Mobil 1 Racing 0W-30, which has a boosted anti-wear system and would provide an additional option for you, should you feel more comfortable with this.
We are not aware of any oil consumption issues related to Mobil 1 5W-30, and the product is engineered to be extremely stable under high-temperature conditions.
Mobil 1 Extended Performance products have been tested in some of the most severe operating conditions that engines can endure and under extended service conditions, and will have no problem protecting timing chains at 15,000-mile oil change intervals.
Mobil 1 0W-30 was designed to meet the ACEA A1/B1 performance level.
The pour point of Mobil 1 High Mileage 10W-30 is actually -39C (-38F), which means yes, you can feel comfortable using it through an average Wisconsin winter, provided you don’t experience historically low temperatures.
Similar to the other Mobil 1 products, Mobil 1 0W-20 carries a great amount of performance reserve, particularly under high-temperature operating conditions, and this is demonstrated by testing against and meeting the GM4718M requirements.
As the car is stationary during dynamometer testing, the transmission cooler you see is necessary to ensure that the transmission receives the same level of cooling that it would if the car was being driven down the road.
There are no known issues with using Mobil 1 0W-40 in these applications.
The Mobil 1 0W-40 is a global product, and it is the same formulation in almost every area of the world. Though we try to maintain complete consistency in the typical properties that are reported for a given product, there are some minor inconsistencies in the values reported in different countries. Note, however, that these inconsistencies do not reflect any differences in the formulation, quality or performance of the product.
Mobil 1 products will provide the same level of performance and protection in direct-injection engines as it does in other fuel-injection configurations. In fact, many of the tests that are performed on Mobil 1 products are done so in DI engines, and the results show the same high level of protection from Mobil 1 in these engines as we have seen over the years in other engines.
Yes. ExxonMobil announced that a number of its key products, including Mobil 1, are now officially dexos™ licensed worldwide. The dexos™-licensed ExxonMobil products will meet the GM global engine oil specifications and will be designated by displaying dexos1™ or dexos2™ logos on the product labels. These engine oils are designed to meet the specific requirements of gasoline and diesel engines used in GM vehicles worldwide.
No formulation change was required for Mobil 1 5W-30 to the meet dexos1™ specification.
Mobil 1 remains the factory-fill motor oil for all Corvettes.
There is no shortage of reasons to try Mobil-branded oils, especially Mobil 1. Mobil 1, for example:
Is designed to provide overall outstanding performance across a wide spectrum of driving conditions
Meets the industry’s toughest standards and outperforms conventional oils, with exceptional performance under all operating conditions and outstanding performance during the maximum oil change intervals recommended in owners’ manuals
Is chosen for factory fill by more OEMs than any oil brand in the world
Offers race-proven technology, with over half of all NASCAR teams using Mobil 1 technology; Mobil 1 is also a technology partner with the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes Formula 1 team
However, the best way to find out if you are going to become a Mobil 1 fan is to give it a try.
Mobil 1 Automatic Transmission Fluid is designed for use in a wide variety of vehicles, including General Motors and Ford vehicles, as well as some imports. The specifications of Chrysler transmissions have evolved in such a way that Mobil 1 Automatic Transmission Fluid no longer meets them.
Mobil 1 Extended Performance is designed specifically for today’s longer service intervals and is guaranteed to protect for up to 15,000 miles or one year. It meets the standard API, ILSAC, and ACEA industry specifications recommended by most auto manufacturers. Mobil 1 5W30 covers additional OEM specifications which may recommend other oil intervals.
Regardless of the type of oil you use in your engine, we always recommend that as first step you consult your owner’s manual when determining your oil change intervals. In addition, you should take into account the operating conditions of your engine: in other words, the type of driving your vehicle experiences (e.g., stop-and-go, highway, extreme temperatures). Keep in mind that our Mobil 1 Extended Performance is guaranteed to deliver exceptional protection for up to 15,000 miles, so if your owner’s manual and driving style allow for a longer oil change interval, it may be an ideal product for you .
[alert-box style='info' ]Ashland’s claims in conjunction with higher Fe in UOA’s have caused suspicion of whether Mobil 1′s cam wear protection is as good as competitor oils. BP and Ashland for months ran ads claiming 4 and 8x better wear on an industry standard Seq IVA test. Can you elaborate on this?
Mobil 1 meets or exceeds all of the wear protection requirements of the API SM and ILSAC GF-4 standards, as well as the European ACEA industry standards, which include passenger car diesel durability tests, and a great number of OEM specifications. As for the specific statement you quoted, ExxonMobil does not comment on competitive marketing claims.
As stated in the answer to the previous, similar question, ExxonMobil does not comment on competitive marketing claims.
ExxonMobil recently announced that a number of its key products, including Mobil 1, are now officially dexos™ licensed worldwide. The dexos™-licensed ExxonMobil products will meet the GM global engine oil specifications and will be designated by displaying dexos1™ or dexos2™ logos on the product labels. These engine oils are designed to meet the specific requirements of gasoline and diesel engines used in GM vehicles worldwide. Mobil 1 is licensed for dexos™ specifications globally, including both dexos1™ and dexos2™. As for our GF-5 product line, while we aren’t yet making our specific plans public, we can say that ExxonMobil has been preparing extensively for this change, working closely with automakers and the American Petroleum Institute.
[alert-box style='info' ]What is the real difference between reg. M1 and EP?
While we can’t disclose any proprietary information, we can say that Mobil 1 Extended Performance is unsurpassed against other full synthetics in high temperature protection and resistance to the formation of undesired engine deposits. Mobil 1 Extended Performance is designed specifically for today’s longer service intervals and is guaranteed to protect for up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever occurs first. Mobil 1 Extended Performance has a unique formulation with a boosted level of protection and performance.
We do not have a Mobil Automatic Transmission Fluid recommended for this specification.
While we can’t divulge any proprietary information, we can say that we are unaware of any regular occurrences such as the instance you describe. Please note that a small amount of particulate matter in the bottom of a new bottle is not necessarily a formulation effect. Rather, it is likely from the blending and filling process, and should not harm an engine if used. However, bottles like this can be returned to the vendor for exchange, if desired.
The question implies that different “batches” of Mobil oils are slightly different, which is not the case. The content of each bottle of a Mobil product has the same attributes as the next bottle. The product data sheets found on our website therefore should answer questions about how you can expect our products to perform, as they display typical properties for each product. If you have a more detailed question, we recommend contacting us at 1-800-ASK-MOBIL.
This is a question that we would recommend asking Honda, as we would not want to comment on specific performance questions related to any auto manufacturer’s vehicles.
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck is recommended for diesel-powered pickup trucks built by Ford, General Motors, GMC and Dodge (i.e., light-duty trucks), whereas Mobil Delvac 1 ESP is recommended for heavy-duty, commercial trucks and other on- and off-highway equipment. Mobil Delvac 1 ESP is the current name of the product in the United States, replacing Mobil Delvac 1.
Note that your information may be a bit outdated, as the pour point values shown on most current Mobil 1 5W-grade product data sheets are all relatively equivalent (all in the -40C to -45C range).
This value should be comparable to that of Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-30, which is -51C.
One of the many benefits of having a strong relationship with OEMs is that two-way communication can occur between the engineers who develop Mobil 1 and the engineers who design automotive engines. This ensures that we can develop and test Mobil 1 according to the latest engine technology and specs. In turn, the OEMs stay aware of the capabilities of high-quality engine oils, like Mobil 1, in their engines. Due to confidentiality provisions, we aren’t at liberty to discuss our business relationships with OEMs. However, we are confident that the OEMs who rely upon Mobil 1 as a factory-fill believe our product gives their engines the performance and protection it deserves. You don’t have to take our word for this – watch some of the videos on our website featuring testimonials from some of our OEM partners, including Porsche.
Mobil 1 0W-40 has been tested in numerous engine types and over a vast range of operating conditions, and has always demonstrated outstanding protection and performance. We disagree with the contentions that Mobil 1 0W-40 “almost always shears to a [0W-30]” and “spends over half its useful life as a 0W-30.” Our research and vigorous testing confirms that the product is a true 0W-40 viscosity that protects engines in which it is intended to be used. It is this level of continuous protection across the entire oil change interval that allows engineers at Porsche, Mercedes AMG, Dodge SRT, and other high-performance automakers to have the confidence to put Mobil 1 0W-40 in their engines before they leave the factory.
No. Potential impact on catalytic converters is the only reason we do not recommend Mobil 1 Racing for street use.
Mobil 1 Racing 0W-50 would be fine, but a better choice for this application would be Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40, which is specifically designed for high-performance, common-sump design motorcycles engines/transmissions.
Mobil 1 20W-50 is a true 20W-50 motor oil.
It would be better to direct this question to BMW, given that it is in reference to their recommendations.
We’re unclear as to what is meant by the phrase “if the car was spec for the oil,” but if the vehicle calls for a VW 504.00/507.00 product, then Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 can certainly be used.
This product meets or exceeds numerous industry and OEM specifications, in their entirety, as stated on the product literature. The exception is API SM, where Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 meets or exceeds all of the performance and protection testing requirements for API SM that involve testing in an actual engine (versus a bench/laboratory test). In order to formulate an oil that is compatible with passenger car diesel emissions systems (specifically those used by Volkswagen), the oil must be a “low-ash” oil. Low-ash oils do not exhibit the necessary performance in one of the API SM laboratory/bench tests which require a higher-ash oil.
We have not made any efforts to reduce the amount of content contained in our data sheets. If you have specific questions about product specs and the information you seek is not listed in the data sheets, 1-800-ASK-MOBIL may be an option for you.
We are not aware of any issues such as the one you describe. ExxonMobil recommends Mobil 1 Automatic Transmission Fluid for use in applications requiring a Dexron III-type fluid.
There is essentially no correlation between density and performance/protection.
If there is high enough demand to make this change, we will consider the request.
Our product offerings can vary according to region.
For competitive reasons, we cannot answer questions of any kind about our product pricing strategy.
We describe Mobil 1 15W-50 as being “race proven” because it is frequently used by racing teams who trust in its performance and protection even in the extreme conditions of racing. Mobil 1 5W-50 is not generally used for racing, and thus doesn’t have that description attached to it.
The “regular maintenance” stated in reference to the million-kilometer Mercedes program refers to any maintenance that is recommended by Mercedes-Benz in the vehicle’s manual. A number of examples for this type of maintenance include:
Replacing the engine air cleaner insert
Checking the poly-v belt
Changing the transmission fluid and replacing the filter
Replacing the spark plugs
Changing the coolant
In addition to what is outlined above, additional maintenance was also performed to avoid unnecessary testing delays due to auxiliary components, for example:
Changing the tires
Replacing the catalytic converter
Replacing the timing chain
Replacing the water pump
API GL-4 is a minimum-quality specification for manual transmission and gear fluids. Many ExxonMobil products meet or exceed this specification. Oils appropriate for your particular application include:
Esso Gear Oil GL-4 75W-90
Mobilube 1 SHC 75W-90
Mobilube GX 140
Mobilube GX 80W-90
Mobilube S 80W-90
Mobilube XHP 75W-80
Mobilube XHP 75W-90
Mobilube SHC 75W-90 and 80W-140 were the original names of the flagship gear oils we now call Mobil Delvac Synthetic Gear Oil 75W-90 and 80W-140. Both have numerous OEM and industry gear oil approvals (including SAE J2360). Because of the type of approvals obtained, these fluids have always been considered as products for usage in the United States.
While these gear oils are targeted at the commercial market (both heavy duty and light duty service), from a product chemistry perspective, we see no reason why they could not be used as extended/life gear oils for 2004 Lincoln Town Cars; however, we would highly recommend that all manufacturer requirements/guidelines for service-fill fluid be followed.
