Iran's new stealth fighter

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Originally Posted By: Azeem

legitimate.Iranians know they are full of it and all they are doing is sketchy paint jobs.

They are trying to conduct a messege to the Americans "Don't mess with us we ai'nt Iraq" which they arenot because they are WEAKER than what Iraq was.


Fear us! Iran has Blue Angels also!
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Or maybe we are just big fans of University of Michigan
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: Azeem

legitimate.Iranians know they are full of it and all they are doing is sketchy paint jobs.

They are trying to conduct a messege to the Americans "Don't mess with us we ai'nt Iraq" which they arenot because they are WEAKER than what Iraq was.


Fear us! Iran has Blue Angels also!
saegheh2.jpg


Or maybe we are just big fans of University of Michigan


LOL Now all they need is someone to fly them.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
I would "guess" that flight control engineers know a great deal about aerodynamics!

But that's just a guess, based on their MSs and PhDs in the subject...and the daft that the work in the field...

I would be very interested in the background of that particular group of jokers at Honeywell. It is entirely possible, IMO in fact apparent, that their background is in software or some other field that is not aerodynamics related.

Originally Posted By: Astro14

As far as area rule on the fiberglass mock-up? I don't see any evidence...it's a high drag airframe...given the canards and wing leading edge angles, I doubt it would go supersonic if it were pointed straight down....and the intakes are truly tiny for the engine size...so top speed will be low. It might be low RCS, if it ever flies, but it's not high performance...

But what do I know...I am just a simple guy with a degree in Astrophysics and 27 years of flying fighters and other airplanes...hardly credible when compared with Internet experts....


What evidence or indication do you have that this is likely fiberglass.

Based on the leading edge angles of the f-104, what would you guess its top speed to be?

How could you not see any use of area rule with this design?

The intakes do look way small. It could mean, like some have said, that this prototype is powered by turbojets rather than turbofan--hence the smaller intake. For whatever reason--maybe just availability, maybe better supersonic performance, a turbojet was temporarily more convenient for testing purposes than a turbofan?

I'm no expert in aviation, though; only an enthusiast who hopes to get a pilot's license some day (with two degrees in physics and a background in numerical analysis). I see aircraft as works of art from a politically neutral viewpoint (I couldn't care less if they had a french, '40s german, russian, chinese, or indian flag on it). Observing parts of this thread, it seems like people's views are formed like they are in spectators of a football game involving their home team. Still interesting and entertaining though; keep it coming.
 
Originally Posted By: ueberooo


I'm no expert in aviation, though; only an enthusiast who hopes to get a pilot's license some day (with two degrees in physics and a background in numerical analysis).


It is obvious you know very little about aviation. Your questions suggested that you are still in high school. Why don't you Google Honeywell Flight Control Systems and learn what they do?

How do you control an aircraft without knowing its aerodynamics? Boeing and Airbus do not manufacture jet engines so are they clueless about them?

http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/04/iran-plane-cannot-fly/#.URh1PDvuPGA
 
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Originally Posted By: ueberooo


What evidence or indication do you have that this is likely fiberglass.





Likely based on this pic posted earlier in the thread..........

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that looks a bit fiberglassish. on the other hand, that whole front end including the intake looks like it wold be due soon for a major revision.

Originally Posted By: azsynthetic

http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/04/iran-plane-cannot-fly/#.URh1PDvuPGA


There were a small number of good points in that. My favorite part in that thread:

Quote:
"Attack with what? Falafel bombs?"


If you're expecting a polished product and a raptor killer you would find more good points in the article to dismiss this aircraft. If you look at this project as a work in progress, and low tech, low cost, solution to a modern day reality the iranian government is working with, then this project likely would make more sense to you. In my view, it's a kind of modern day version of the He-162 Volksjaeger, which incidentally was made largely made of wood (in fact, a wooden jet--these were the sort of resource constraints the Germans were working with at that time).
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Not everyone has a few trillion a year to blow on a military budget. Those that did would not be concerned with this.

And neither would a military pose a real threat if its country didn't have at least that amount minus two or three orders of magnitude to spend. IMO if this were a concern to anyone, it would only be for small local neighbor governments like that of Israel.
 
Originally Posted By: ueberooo
that looks a bit fiberglassish. on the other hand, that whole front end including the intake looks like it wold be due soon for a major revision.

Originally Posted By: azsynthetic

http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/04/iran-plane-cannot-fly/#.URh1PDvuPGA


There were a small number of good points in that. My favorite part in that thread:

Quote:
"Attack with what? Falafel bombs?"


If you're expecting a polished product and a raptor killer you would find more good points in the article to dismiss this aircraft. If you look at this project as a work in progress, and low tech, low cost, solution to a modern day reality the iranian government is working with, then this project likely would make more sense to you. In my view, it's a kind of modern day version of the He-162 Volksjaeger, which incidentally was made largely made of wood (in fact, a wooden jet--these were the sort of resource constraints the Germans were working with at that time).
He162-02f.jpg


Not everyone has a few trillion a year to blow on a military budget. Those that did would not be concerned with this.

And neither would a military pose a real threat if its country didn't have at least that amount minus two or three orders of magnitude to spend. IMO if this were a concern to anyone, it would only be for small local neighbor governments like that of Israel.


Nice spy cam shot. That's their latest stealth technology isn't it?
 
They didn't copy the F-5....they bought it...from us...just like they bought the F-14. The Shah was an ally....though for a lot of folks, that detail is lost to history.

As far as this mock-up - it's missing too much to be an airplane....the things that should be there, well, aren't. It's just fiberglass ribs under the canopy rail. No structure. No canopy locks. No marks. No lights. Nothing.

It's fake.

The F-5, by the way, has some area ruling in its fuselage. This weird thing? None. And you'll note that they don't even claim high-speed capability (for which you would want an area-ruled fuselage to reduce trans-sonic and supersonic drag)...just low speed...
 
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I love how the "defence" site implies that the design is "indigenous"

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Yeah right.

Just like the Zulfiqar MBT has no elements of M60 or T-72 design in it.
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Instead of actually flying this thing, just photoshop it and call it a day. The Iranians recently showed how it's done...

This image appeared recently on an Iranian news site.


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It looked so unrealistic that some people started to dig into this a bit. It turned out the backdrop that they used (Mount Damavand - highest peak in Iran) comes from a wallpaper hosting site.
 
I am surprised that they did not also photoshop in a monkey as the pilot. That way they can claim to be the first to have a monkey flying a fighter jet
 
The monkey is still recovering from his space mission. It would be unrealistic to show him flying a fighter jet so soon after he returned from space.
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Originally Posted By: dparm
I don't understand why they built this thing.

They know that it won't stand up to an F-16 flown by any of its neighboring countries. I suspect the purpose of their 'stealth fighter' is really to quell domestic unrest at home. "Look, we're self sufficient! We don't need to be part of the world community. See? We made this stealth fighter!"
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
the Arabian Gulf.

I had a lot of respect for you until I saw you spew this garbage term.
 
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: Astro14
the Arabian Gulf.

I had a lot of respect for you until I saw you spew this garbage term.


We used to call it the Persian Gulf. When I flew combat missions from a carrier in the Gulf in 1991, it was called the Persian Gulf...

However, from the time I was deployed to CENTCOM, several years ago, through current briefs and analysis, it's been called the Arabian Gulf inside the DOD...sure, that's what the Arab nations call it...and that's what DOD calls it...actually, we further divide it into the NAG (North Arabian Gulf) and the SAG (South Arabian Gulf), the GOO (Gulf of Oman)...you get the idea...

I don't understand why you're offended by the AG...so what?
 
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